Zonnepoes wrote:This is why i just don't like Game Theory. It spreads bad ''theories'' so everyone believes them. Also Mario & Nintendo do what they want.
the problem isn't Game Theory/Mattpat making theories
people are just stupid and somehow keep forgetting that the show is game theory, and that everything the guy says, no matter how plausible it is, is not canon to the actual game(s) the theory focuses on.
blame the obnoxious fans in the stands, not the ball game.
Zonnepoes wrote:This is why i just don't like Game Theory. It spreads bad ''theories'' so everyone believes them. Also Mario & Nintendo do what they want.
the problem isn't Game Theory/Mattpat making theories
people are just stupid and somehow keep forgetting that the show is game theory, and that everything the guy says, no matter how plausible it is, is not canon to the actual game(s) the theory focuses on.
blame the obnoxious fans in the stands, not the ball game.
Well the way they put forth their information, using logical, mathematical, and scientific evidence, makes it sound believable in some instances. So fault could lie with GT at least in part.
Thundaga_T2 wrote:Well the way they put forth their information, using logical, mathematical, and scientific evidence, makes it sound believable in some instances. So fault could lie with GT at least in part.
yeah, i can kind of see where someone impressionable enough could be fooled by that
Thundaga_T2 wrote:Well the way they put forth their information, using logical, mathematical, and scientific evidence, makes it sound believable in some instances. So fault could lie with GT at least in part.
yeah, i can kind of see where someone impressionable enough could be fooled by that
First, let's interpret the word "Bad". Some people thinks Mario is Good, and Bowser is Evil. Instead, his Koopa Troop thinks Bowser is good and Mario is Evil. Everything is a perspective question. Actually, you can choose make part of SMBX Community to be a good member, or only troll and spam. It's all about choices.
As i know, some people have to do sad things to survive. Actually, if we are mixing all Mario games in it, let me try too. How so much jobs Mario did since 1980? So much, heh? Inclusive, doctor. Doctor is a guy that save life. How can a greedy plumber study medicine and be one of the more important people of the Mushroom Kingdom's Health? Explain this.
Well, about Donkey Kong, Mario had various jobs, but never got some that fits him until he meets the Plumbing. Well, the life is hard for everyone. Yeah, you are right. Donkey Kong Circus happened first, then DK Jr., then Donkey Kong. But let take a example: Cat and Dog. Someone of these are evil? No. Someone of these are good? No too. Both are only animals, that because a natural rule, they hate themselves. Donkey Kong and Mario is like Cat and Dog. Since Donkey Kong Circus until Mario Sports and Mario VS Donkey Kong series. I think i finished here.
So, tell me. Greedy Mario that steal coins, huh? First of all, who in the world you let the economy of the kingdom near pits, traps, inside castles, caves and until Volcanoes?!? This is ridiculously insane! And, if Mario is guilty for steal coins, why Peach does nothing? Why nobody does nothing? Why nobody tells Mario something? Because this is bullshit. Now, tell me that Sonic are robbing ladies rings and that are destroying computers to have programs because he's robot and then have super powers like Shield and Temporary Invincibility. Talking about it, Sonic is catching that Chaos Emeralds, or 100 rings so he can have a extra life. Coins are magic objects. Isn't like normal money. When you want, you can unite 100 coins, so he transform in a green mushroom that grants you one life. It's ask so much for lives to save the Kingdom from Bowser so he can transform all people in blocks again? (Super Mario Bros. Manual). I dare you, pass New Super Mario Bros U, for example, without lose a single life. It's like the real world, one death, died forever. It's super hard! So he doing this for a good cause. Various heroes made craziness for save the world.
Mario's in Bowser's Side? So why Mario destroyed Bowser's two chances of takeover the entire galaxy, if this "theater" wasn't necessary, since Mario could be the only to save the galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2)
In the Super Mario 64 story, Bowser caught the power stars and threw in the paintings. He keep some stars with some of his guards, like King Bob-Omb. Mario could take the star from his hand anytime, but was King's choice begin a duel. Same to the Wiggler, he wanted begin the fight, not Mario. And that's wrong? So ask if you think correct threw you pets in a battle they never wanted to be, since you could solve anything with words, their prefer do useless and timing waste battles (Pokémon). And moreover, as i said, people do some craziness to save the world. As long, Koopa Troopas makes part of the Koopa Troop, but their nature are shy. This don't change the fact that they are part of Koopa Troop, as long that Koopa the Quick isn't part of Koopa Troop, like Kooper, Koops, Kolorado, Koopie Koo, and so much others.
About the Luigi. Do you know, Luigi are with Daisy. Luigi even don't want knows about Peach anymore, he is only with Mario because they are brothers and brothers do this things. Peach is Mario's Girl and Luigi knows it, so that Mario knows that Daisy is Luigi's Girl. So Luigi don't want a kiss from the Princess, because in the end, they will happy celebrate a victory with their friends with a party with a Cake, and Mario's need a rest with their favorite girl, as long Luigi too, with Daisy. And about Mario Tennis, you probably never had a brother. Some brothers like to annoy a bit, not a point of kill the guy, is a brother thing. Since Mario Bros, the original, Mario, and Luigi, can push themselves to death. This is still funny do with your friends. Because, why we need be serious on our work? We can bash ourselves, only kidding, and make it latter!
So, Mario isn't a bad guy. The question is, a bunch of game information copied from sites and mixed with some revisions to make sense, doesn't matter. Yeah, you need do this, but don't only this. You need enter in the Mario's Head:
"Who i am? I'm Mario. What i am? A Plumber, a Hero from a kingdom, and a Life Saver Doctor. My mission: Protect my family (Luigi), Protect my girl (Peach)< Protect my friends (Yoshi, Toad, Daisy) and until my rivals (Wario, Waluigi, Donkey Kong, and until Bowser sometimes). I can't disapoint everyone, me and my bro are the only hope of this other world. I need ever help possible, taking coins to grant another chances, and power-ups. Sometimes is hard save who i live, so i need make the things that i'm not want to do, but i'm making for the people from the kingdom, all counting with me and Luigi. Luigi, my brother, helps me. I don't have so time to say to him he's the better brother of all."
castlewars wrote:Here's another thing to consider as well (which I forgot to put down):
In the original Super Mario Bros. the Toads and all the other inhabitants were turned into blocks, grasses and other inanimate objects...which MARIO SMASHES. Does this mean he's killing those same inhabitants without realising it?
People always say this but I'm pretty sure that the manual that mentioned that also mentioned that the ? block folks were supposed to be rewarding Mario for saving them or something.
On the whole, even if Mario can be interpreted to be doing some evil stuff or whatever, it's clearly unintentional on Nintendo's part. Video game protagonists almost always kill random unaffiliated enemies at some point, it's just in the nature of video games. He's supposed to be depicted as a heroic character, I have very little doubt about that.
Also, everything about your post is amazing, Magician.
Miles Troopa wrote:Peach is Mario's Girl and Luigi knows it
That doesn't make sense. Peach isn't Mario's girlfriend, Pauline is. Does this mean that when Mario and Peach kiss like they've been doing countless times Mario's cheating on his girlfriend? That could be more evidence that Mario's the bad guy.
Miles Troopa wrote:Peach is Mario's Girl and Luigi knows it
That doesn't make sense. Peach isn't Mario's girlfriend, Pauline is. Does this mean that when Mario and Peach kiss like they've been doing countless times Mario's cheating on his girlfriend? That could be more evidence that Mario's the bad guy.
When was the last time you saw Pauline in a main game. (M vs DK doesn't count. That's technically a spinoff.)
Miles Troopa wrote:Peach is Mario's Girl and Luigi knows it
That doesn't make sense. Peach isn't Mario's girlfriend, Pauline is. Does this mean that when Mario and Peach kiss like they've been doing countless times Mario's cheating on his girlfriend? That could be more evidence that Mario's the bad guy.
When was the last time you saw Pauline in a main game. (M vs DK doesn't count. That's technically a spinoff.)
The original DK was the only main series appearance of her. However, she's mentioned in SSB4 with the message "Mario's Ex-Girlfriend(?)" suggesting that Mario dumped her for Peach. Does this mean Mario's bad because he dumped his original girlfriend for Peach? Could that explain why Mario and Peach kiss like they've been doing countless times? Is Mario only killing Bowser just to satisfy his "girlfriend"?
castlewars wrote:The original DK was the only main series appearance of her. However, she's mentioned in SSB4 with the message "Mario's Ex-Girlfriend(?)" suggesting that Mario dumped her for Peach. Does this mean Mario's bad because he dumped his original girlfriend for Peach? Could that explain why Mario and Peach kiss like they've been doing countless times? Is Mario only killing Bowser just to satisfy his "girlfriend"?
Why would he be bad for dumping his ex-girlfriend. Things happen. Maybe they didn't click. Also if some giant turtle-dragon kidnapped your girl, wouldn't you be upset too and want to kill it?
castlewars wrote:The original DK was the only main series appearance of her. However, she's mentioned in SSB4 with the message "Mario's Ex-Girlfriend(?)" suggesting that Mario dumped her for Peach. Does this mean Mario's bad because he dumped his original girlfriend for Peach? Could that explain why Mario and Peach kiss like they've been doing countless times? Is Mario only killing Bowser just to satisfy his "girlfriend"?
Why would he be bad for dumping his ex-girlfriend. Things happen. Maybe they didn't click. Also if some giant turtle-dragon kidnapped your girl, wouldn't you be upset too and want to kill it?
The original Super Mario Bros. marks the first appearance of Peach chronologically and release-wise. At this time Mario was still with Pauline, so why would Mario let Peach kiss him and cheat on his current girlfriend?
castlewars wrote:The original DK was the only main series appearance of her. However, she's mentioned in SSB4 with the message "Mario's Ex-Girlfriend(?)" suggesting that Mario dumped her for Peach. Does this mean Mario's bad because he dumped his original girlfriend for Peach? Could that explain why Mario and Peach kiss like they've been doing countless times? Is Mario only killing Bowser just to satisfy his "girlfriend"?
Why would he be bad for dumping his ex-girlfriend. Things happen. Maybe they didn't click. Also if some giant turtle-dragon kidnapped your girl, wouldn't you be upset too and want to kill it?
The original Super Mario Bros. marks the first appearance of Peach chronologically and release-wise. At this time Mario was still with Pauline, so why would Mario let Peach kiss him and cheat on his current girlfriend?
How do you know that he was still with Pauline at that point? Its not like it takes place directly after Donkey Kong. Also remember that Mario Bros came before SMB, so they could have parted then.
Thundaga_T2 wrote:How do you know that he was still with Pauline at that point? Its not like it takes place directly after Donkey Kong. Also remember that Mario Bros came before SMB, so they could have parted then.
We don't know how Mario broke up with Pauline, but from the data we have, Mario was most likely still with Pauline when the events of SMB happened. The Mario vs DK series revolves around the Mario toys and those toys were made out of Mario because he was now revered as a celebrity after his many Bowser defeats and Peach rescues. In the second game, which is a direct sequel to the first, Pauline comes around and, with Mario, opens the amusement park. However, DK comes out of hiding and kidnaps Pauline, and this suggests that the events early on in the Mario vs. DK series took place early on in the Mario series timeline because DK is still infatuated with Pauline (he did get over it when he retreated to Donkey Kong Island and decided to live with the Kongs) and thus very close to the events of SMB and SMB: Lost Levels.
Lmao literally the fact you said something about Mario cheating on peach bc he was with Pauline. Where do you get those things? Literally all theories about Mario are just for the fun if you didn't realize that. You know all he does is making a joke which some people don't get... ahaha..
Sinem wrote:Lmao literally the fact you said something about Mario cheating on peach bc he was with Pauline. Where do you get those things? Literally all theories about Mario are just for the fun if you didn't realize that. You know all he does is making a joke which some people don't get... ahaha..
Common sense and what happens in the games. As I said earlier, the toys were probably being made out of Mario because he was now a celebrity - and Pauline appeared. As Mario's chronological first experience with fighting Bowser was in SMB, he was still with Pauline at the time. It's not known how Mario broke up with her. While you ponder on that, here's something else for you to consider that lends to this theory.
Bowser merely uses Peach as a hostage just so that he could lure Mario into his traps. He wants to get rid of Mario, and so does Peach, so Peach goes undercover and pretends to be Mario's lover. When she cries out "Help me, Mario!", it is just a deceptive act to get Mario to come towards Bowser in order to get Mario killed. In actual fact, Peach was never kidnapped - it's all part of Bowser's plan to get rid of the "bad guy". How come Peach has kissed Mario, but never taken it any further? Why are there some endings where Mario doesn't get kissed AT ALL? Exactly. Mario's only doing it just for the smooches (well if you wanted to get critical, this isn't the case in SMAS:SMB1's ending - Peach hugs Mario). She's taking advantage of their feelings so they will do anything, no matter how dangerous, just to save her. In Super Mario World, Peach threw out mushrooms from the Koopa Clown Car, but she wasn't trying to help Mario against Bowser, they were only just ballast. The only time she helps Mario is if there is a different threat when the entire kingdom is in danger, such as most of the Mario & Luigi series. This also explains that when the airships invade Peach's Castle, she doesn't get harmed. She's actually escaping her castle and going to Bowser's as part of her evil plan.
This is further supported by the fact that even after Mario's countless savings of Peach and the kingdom from destruction, Mario should have some connection with the royalty. Does he? If he was, then why is he still a plumber? This suggests that the Mushroom Kingdom has got the worst ruler ever because of the way citizens are treated - still stuck with the feudal system where people are treated with disregard. Also, why is a human ruling the kingdom if the only inhabitants are meant to be Toads? Yeah, exactly. She could have married her way in via the Mushroom Kings from SMB3 but we don't know for sure, and it's unlikely that she even married the Mushroom Kings because they appear to be a lot older than Peach is. This video explains it, as Peach refers to the king as "father":
But yeah, there isn't a prince in the kingdom, so it's more than likely she's still single. The most likely explanation is that she came in with Bowser, had Bowser build "her" castle, and have Peach live in it. Then Peach could have hired the Toads and have them build all the lava-filled castles that Mario traverses through, then have Bowser live in one of them.
castlewars wrote:As I said earlier, the toys were probably being made out of Mario because he was now a celebrity - and Pauline appeared. As Mario's chronological first experience with fighting Bowser was in SMB, he was still with Pauline at the time. It's not known how Mario broke up with her.
What if
-Donkey Kong events happens;
-Mario Vs Donkey Kong happens;
-Mario broke with Pauline;
-SMB events happens.
And wow you're putting a lot of your free time in this theory.
RudeGuy07 wrote:What if
-Donkey Kong events happens;
-Mario Vs Donkey Kong happens;
-Mario broke with Pauline;
-SMB events happens.
And wow you're putting a lot of your free time in this theory.
The events of the Mario vs. DK series take place in the Mushroom Kingdom. The events of DK take place in New York. They're not the same place.
Also, as I've been reiterating earlier, between the events of DK and SMB, barely anyone knew who Mario was, so why would they start making toys out of him? Mario has to have gotten famous somehow, so the easiest way he was to accomplish this was by his many rescues of Peach. Then the Mario toys would start being made, and Pauline comes along just for old times' sake. As Mario and Pauline open the amusement park together in the second game, it can be inferred that they were still both boyfriend and girlfriend, and as this takes place after the first few Peach rescues, Mario was definitely still out with Pauline when the events of SMB play out. If they'd recently broke up because of Peach, then they wouldn't be opening the park together, wouldn't they?
RudeGuy07 wrote:What if
-Donkey Kong events happens;
-Mario Vs Donkey Kong happens;
-Mario broke with Pauline;
-SMB events happens.
And wow you're putting a lot of your free time in this theory.
The events of the Mario vs. DK series take place in the Mushroom Kingdom. The events of DK take place in New York. They're not the same place.
Also, as I've been reiterating earlier, between the events of DK and SMB, barely anyone knew who Mario was, so why would they start making toys out of him? Mario has to have gotten famous somehow, so the easiest way he was to accomplish this was by his many rescues of Peach. Then the Mario toys would start being made, and Pauline comes along just for old times' sake. As Mario and Pauline open the amusement park together in the second game, it can be inferred that they were still both boyfriend and girlfriend, and as this takes place after the first few Peach rescues, Mario was definitely still out with Pauline when the events of SMB play out. If they'd recently broke up because of Peach, then they wouldn't be opening the park together, wouldn't they?
Pretty sure Mario vs Donkey Kong 2 was pretty clear that they were just friends at that point.
