The Community Punching Bag Problem

[Magna DominXus]

Speaking of cyber bullying, anyone remember this wiki about me?

http://knuxforum.wikia.com/wiki/JinxJoe7

[Yoshibrothers]

Speaking of cyber bullying, anyone remember this wiki about me?

http://knuxforum.wikia.com/wiki/JinxJoe7

I don't know who made that article, but I would still like to say that I am incredibly sorry about the article and the wiki that Knux had created. I would also like to state that I was bullied irl, and although bullying and cyberbullying have their differences, I can go ahead by saying that what is on that wiki is cyberbullying and what happens here is just childish antics from both sides afflicted.

[aero]

Speaking of cyber bullying, anyone remember this wiki about me?

http://knuxforum.wikia.com/wiki/JinxJoe7

http://knuxforum.wikia.com/wiki/Orwirwgfw

I wouldn't take that article seriously enough to be cyber bullying.

[Magna DominXus]

Maybe, but those things were true at the time as that was how I acted on the forums before.

[Yoshibrothers]

Speaking of cyber bullying, anyone remember this wiki about me?

http://knuxforum.wikia.com/wiki/JinxJoe7

http://knuxforum.wikia.com/wiki/Orwirwgfw

I wouldn't take that article seriously enough to be cyber bullying.

...though I suppose you weren't supposed to take it seriously. Its still something you would have to take into consideration, however.

[Magna DominXus]

Meh, I was different back then, I was basically an immature troll. But I can't help but get the feeling some people dislike me here, too.

Maybe it's because I whine so much of the time.

[Fuyu]

You guys need to think about what you're doing, like, do you guys actually realize how bad you're treating these three?

I may not know that much about FNC, but FanofSMBX, Hawkeyeone and Kep are people I met throughout my stay on the forums since the existence of NSMBX, Knux's forum and SMBX:R.

I must admit, at first I thought about FanofSMBX being somewhat annoying with his repetitive questions, with all honesty. He used to ask too many things, and I sorta disliked that part of him. But hey, why the hell should I start being disrespectful to him because of that? If I can't accept people like him, honestly, I'd find lots of budges on my road toward a prosperous future. There are a lot of people out there that might annoy you on different ways, like this guy right here. But hey, this guy right here has a golden heart, I can tell that for sure. He might annoy you with questions, thoughts born out of nothing, or even stuff that he makes himself up, but who doesn't do that from time to time? Everybody has done all of those three on his own way, and by his own with the people he knows, let him be and accept this guy already. Instead of bullying try to be something better that what you're doing.

About Hawkeyeone, I must say that he's been a completely unknown user to me, since I did not had the chance to actually meet him or know anything in particular about him, nor I even know how he actually is, but what I can tell from his previous posts on Knux and here, and overall what Dusk/Yoshibrothers™ said right there, the only reason for him to be so hate-everybodyish is because of your hatred toward him. Sure he advertises and may be rude when doing, but that is nor reason enough to actually bully (if it can actually be called that way) him. He might want some attention, like a little kid, but that's just what everybody else wants at some point. Some people don't dare to try, or even may not know they actually want to, and some people actually try to, like him and like me. Stop with this nonsense and try to get along with this guy right here.

I met Kep on SMBX:R when I moved from NSMBX. He was by that time a fellow staff member. By that time since I had more experience than him I tried to help him all the way I could, and it wasn't easy, believe me, it wasn't easy, but I believe he has matured enough by now. He may, or mostly may have overestimated himself sometimes, but hey, better than underestimating himself. His reviews being called "not very accurate" or however you wanna call is just an example of your negligence to accept him. Like Dusk/Yoshibrothers™ said, he at least tried to lend his opinion on levels by leaving a review, and believe me, it isn't nice when a review you have put your time and effort to write ends up being called "not very accurate" by someone who doesn't even read it to confirm it. He may not be perfect, but that's what actually makes him perfect. There is no perfection, but that's what makes him perfect. Does it make sense? No? In other words, because there's no perfection, it's time to realize there's no need, and I believe he knows that better than anyone here. Stop being so neglect and accept Kep for once, he won't let your hopes down, I bet my stay on these forums for this.

Summarizing, there's no need to actually be like that toward anybody. You're just pissed off by these three people doings, but that isn't enough reason to bash them, instead, you're doing something even worse, you're limiting these people what everybody has the right to, be listened, be comprehended, and overall, be what they are and accepted by what they are. So seriously, stop with this bullshit already, start being nice, start giving these three people what they deserve.

As for FNC, he clearly doesn't deserve what he earns either. He may act childish sometimes, but hey, let him be whatever he wants. If he starts doing something wrong tell him, or warn him, don't f****** disrespect him.

[reghrhre]

People are punching bags just because they're annoying and they don't learn, it's incredibly hard to like someone if they're constantly annoying and if they don't learn as well, this is how human nature works. Once you develop a hate/annoyance for someone it'll most likely stay that way unless you have a change of heart or if the annoying dude changes but that's incredibly hard for both people, it really is. These "punching bags" in the community haven't really changed so it's hard to like them, no offense.

Hell, the same can be said for any type of person really, just not the punching bag part. If you like a person so much you'll be extremely lenient with them and you won't care what they say to you as much, you'll want to be around them and you'll try to avoid conflict or be polite with them as much as possible because you don't want to lose your friendship with them. Or if someone's weird as shit you'll avoid them at all costs or you might have a "haha what a loser" type of mindset and you'll constantly call make fun of the person for having odd views.

That's all for reghrhre's words of wisdom, now I know why I don't post much, I take years typing and thinking up of my posts and it's not worth it.

Tl;dr: Learn to read walls of text I'm not summarizing; I need foood!!!

[StrikeForcer]

To be frankly honest, the four users mentioned in this thread are "punching bags" as you all described because you know and believe that they have done things that are socially unacceptable within the standards of the community. And may I mention that their statuses as "punching bags" weren't just limited to this forum. Their statuses haven't changed since they were on Knux's forum and SMBX:R before Joey's place came into existence because of this. I would like to know this: Why still treat them the same piss-poor way on a different forum when their slates were dirty instead of treating them differently when they come to join a new forum to start over and deny that reset of their slates? Reason I asked that question because its unfair for them to still get hate as always when they register on a different forum with some of you being the same members who treated them piss-poor, some of the recipients' actions that they may have done for good reason.

Now for my view of these members in question.

FanOfSMBX (TiKi on MFGG): This one I can sympathize with the most. I find his posts on IRC and questions relating to "If its possible to do X feature in SMBX" indicative of how limited SMBX is for creativity when one uses it as an engine. Though he does come across as annoying to you guys just because he's beating a dead horse with a stick when he complains about SMBX. Though I find his treatment regarding SMU deserving because he does a piss-poor job of advertising that fangame as the next big thing when the creator of the fangame, Raikyo (currently known as Raikitty on MFGG) is taking a different direction on SMU's development, likely because of the bad reception it got here and Knux's forum months ago due to his shoddy job on bringing us attention to the fangame and failing to substanciate himself when someone called him on it.

FNC(Jaden1291 the Toad on MFGG): I don't really like this guy because of his immaturity, doesn't know his place when it comes to handling of situations best left to a mod, and belaboring what other people say to others before he instead of differencing himself, basically being a slave to group think. Certain situations are not needed for he to join in and post. He needs to learn his limits, especially on the Internet where people aren't so forgiving toward one another for his lack of understanding of social norms and faux-passes. And some posts of his literally makes no structural sense. Between Hawkeyeone, FanOfSMBX, and FNC, I say that FNC is in more need of improvement than anyone else on the forum.

Hawkeyeone: I do not really have much to say on him, but I haven't seen him give any problem since Uncle Sam's hateful post in his thread back on Knux's forum.

Kep: I also do not have much to say on him, but he shouldn't confuse nitpicking with criticism....where is where the problem lies with his reception on the forum. I also would like for him to be more open-minded when suggestions to improve his story are given.

If they are trying and doing something to improve themselves, why still give them the hate as if nothing has changed?

[Ace]

Once you hate someone, everything they do is offensive.
Don't overcomplicaterino pleaserino.

[StrikeForcer]

Once you hate someone, everything they do is offensive.

It doesn't exactly has to stay that way you know. Plus I fail to see how I'm overcomplicating this issue.

[Ace]

It doesn't exactly has to stay that way you know.

It's acutally just a part of human nature.

Plus I fail to see how I'm overcomplicating this issue.

Wow I've been beaterino frappuccino Keepo

[MistakesWereMade]

Don't overcomplicaterino pleaserino.

fine

Changing the stuff that people find obnoxious in you > Victimizing yourself like a complete attention whore

[FanofSMBX]

Don't overcomplicaterino pleaserino.

fine

Changing the stuff that people find obnoxious in you > Victimizing yourself like a complete attention whore

Since when have I victimized myself?

[Shadow Yoshi]

I don't think you've ever done that.

[Hawkeyeone]

I advertise my comic, too, and I don't get shit for it.

You never said 'REGISTER ON MY FORUM FOR MORE COMICS' though.

It's not like I have much reasons for why people should check out TIAOH Gardens.

[Danny]

Hence why nobody visits that place.

[Fuyu]

Either way, there's no excuse for being ridiculously disrespectful to anybody. I don't agree with some of your doings either Hawkeyeone, and I want you to please stop being like that. Please let the people decide if they want to either register on your forum or not, advertising it on your signature is far enough. I want to be a friend of yours, if you'd like.

[Shadow Yoshi]

The bottom line, in my opinion, is this: the users mentioned should do their best to listen to the community's feedback. Some users should, in turn, word their feedback a little bit better.

[DarkMatt]

Sorry I'm late to the party. I was off causing trouble elsewhere.

But anyway, serious time.

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Wait no, because it's made by Knux. And I could very easily say it's just a brazen attempt to save face after having a thread of "do you guys hate me?" go towards "YES," so I'll change the topic a wee bit.

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The reason why this problem doesn't go away by talking it out is because it cuts both ways. It requires effort on both the stomper and the stompee to avoid provoking aggression, and that's a lot harder to do than any one person who takes one side in this debate can comprehend. Your stomper can just be intolerant, or your stompee can be. Amends have to be made and, well, if either or still wants to fight, then, you can't do much about it other than remind them how terrible of an idea it is. Furthermore, if either side forgets why they're doing/getting shit and just does it to do it, then the problem becomes exponentially harder for a third man to step in and intervene. You'll find it even harder when you realize this shit happens without much forethought, or worse, it starts happening because the forethought was presented but was either ignored or laughed at. That's why you see the older members giving shit to the stupid newbies. Not just because they don't get the rites of the community, but because they haven't grown up nearly as much as most of us. Hell, twenty bucks says they go through this same trail of pain in real life.

Here's where the big kicker lies: how do you go about getting these people to change without coming off as offensive to ANYBODY AT ALL? (You don't.) A hand too gentle might be ignored, and a hand too strong will cause backlash; at least, that is what's perceived. While you can do all you can to help people your way, you'll come face-to-face with a hard obstacle: their willingness to adapt. Some people think they're perfectly fine (NOT NAMING NAMES.) and will outright refuse any and all help. It's not a bad thing to be your own man, but in the case of trying to be friends with everyone, no one but that person can fix their problem. It's literally like a bill being submitted to congress, passed to the senate, passed to the president, and the president simply saying, "No." All the great endeavors you take to help someone depends on the guy in person wanting to adopt it, and, if they're either feeling like they have no problem, or they're the one's having the problem, why is he going to do what others say? No amount of chivalry will change what they want from the world around them.

If this all sounds like society is doomed and hell is other people, don't despair. You just might not be the man for the job. That person will listen to some people more than others, and if they care, they'll throw their hat on the table. Unless the person you're dealing with is an absolute loner that has no friends that care for him, (AGAIN, NOT NAMING NAMES.) you can talk to them and, in exchange, get to know everyone better. In fact, calling for a serious discussion can help that kid focus and either take this whole putting down nonsense seriously, or accept it and have it end at that. You might not win anyway; you can't replace others in one's life, but anything you can do to help try to solve the problem will be credit in your favor. Karma and all that. There'll be those hobos and losers who want nothing but what they have right now--no matter how pathetic it is, but showing you care will help enrich your soul, if no one else's. (Experience and all that.)

I'll echo what a friend of mine told me: You'll treat people better the more you know them. Hell, you WILL let their idiocy slide because you like them and they're fun to be with. But, they can undo that and, if that's what they first do, and they don't ask themselves what they did wrong, then there is no saving that nonexistent friendship. If anything, they'll bash you and complain about you IF they care. If they don't, they will ignore you, leave you alone, and go about their way, cutting you out of their lives.

Now I used the word cyberbully a bit, but I just want to echo Yoshibrothers' message, this is NOT cyberbullying. These are people doing what they can to get people to stop and look at themselves. If they wish to twist it into cyberbullying then, well, that's their life, and they want you to be part of it, not fuck with it.

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If you're wondering why I treat Knux like dirt, it's because, again, he's kind of destroyed any attempt to care about and work with him. He's the worst kind of person, and in all honestly, you really should not buy into his horse drivel.

Still, I can ignore him and still be able to talk about this.