What Happens if Net Neutrality Ends

aero · Postby **aero** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:41 pm

Musicality_Minister45 wrote:This got me thinking: could something similar happen in the real world where marketing companies like Walmart or Gamestop have to pay a large fee for every piece of merchandise they sell? In other words, would the government have a complete control of the selling of goods in a store? I mean, I know that they have to pay to have the products shipped to their store, but like there would be an extra payment for when they are actually sold them to the people in store.

You just described state ownership of production and then taxes. Both are possible, and both can be big issues.

Postby **ElectriKong** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:51 pm

aero · Postby **aero** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:21 pm

Also, another decent article: https://www.eff.org/id/node/96535

mechamind · Postby **mechamind** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:10 pm

Microsoft, Apple, and Google all need to protect Net Neutrality if they want their operating systems and software to remain as reliable as they are now (or even improve). A lack of Net Neutrality will break their auto-update features. I've had that happen to me three times due to internet difficulties; years ago, but it still applies. I can only imagine how broken that Windows 10 will be without Net Neutrality.

aero · Postby **aero** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:45 pm

That's a design problem and not necessarily net neutrality's fault. Plenty of old software and OSes simply do not work anymore because of the way the internet has changed, from connecting to it to using it. It's both misguided and impossible to keep the internet at a constant state for the sake of software and OSes that depend on it. Smarter way to go about it is offline software and services that don't assume an internet connection will always be there. Going to shill this guy again because he seems to have a good presentation for a lot of these topics:

Postby **ElectriKong** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:30 pm

Some good news here

aero · Postby **aero** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:58 pm

I'm less and less convinced net neutrality matters. These companies are defended while anti-NN people are supposed to be the bad guys. NN didn't stop this from happening, and it's suspicious these companies want to keep the status quo to say the least.
[rimg]https://i.imgur.com/jMI6WDC.jpg[/rimg]

The0x539 · Postby **The0x539** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:46 am

GhostHawk wrote:I'm less and less convinced net neutrality matters. These companies are defended while anti-NN people are supposed to be the bad guys. NN didn't stop this from happening, and it's suspicious these companies want to keep the status quo to say the least.
[rimg]https://i.imgur.com/jMI6WDC.jpg[/rimg]

Are you suggesting deregulation will make things better? How?

aero · Postby **aero** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:15 am

Not at all, I'm just not seeing how NN is important to a free and open internet. NN as it has existed up until now hasn't done much if anything to maintain a free and open internet given the amount of consolidation occurring online and control ISPs have had all along. I think NN is generally a good idea, I'm not anti-NN. I do think that it is a distraction though because attention is diverted from DRM and copyright that's built into the internet. Regulations are needed to prevent that, and NN is taking all of the attention when it's portrayed as this existential threat if it's removed but isn't doing what people think they'll be losing without it. I wish people would talk about DRM, copyright, and other restrictions that corner off the internet as much as they spammed that battleforthenet site and talked about the regulations necessary to handle that.

Postby **ElectriKong** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:37 am

Also:

And if you are Canadian, you may also be headed for hot water

Postby **ElectriKong** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:39 pm

Time to celebrate the last few hours of internet freedom. Tomorrow, they will vote to kill. Though there may still be hope, just maybe, that NET neutrality may continue for some more time.
Although we now know that Ajit Pai watches The Humanist Report.

Oshi · Postby **Oshi** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:50 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if someone decided to kill this guy before tomorrow or even tommorrow

Postby **ElectriKong** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:57 pm

Musicality_Minister45 wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if someone decided to kill this guy before tomorrow or even tommorrow

But I don't think we would even want to go that far, even if he plans on ruining the internet for generations to come, since it would implant a negative conotation on Title II NET neutrality laws that did not exist and did not need to exist.

aero · Postby **aero** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:01 pm

He has received numerous death threats and was advised by law enforcement not to discuss the details all over the prospect of paying a bit more for Netflix and video games.

Sewpah · Postby **Sewpah** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:47 pm

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/14/167 ... s-repealed

Now we can only hope that Congress stops this whole fiasco.

Postby **ElectriKong** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:20 pm

It happened, of course.

Sewpah · Postby **Sewpah** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:28 pm

They had it coming: a lawsuit.

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/36 ... ssion=true

FireyPaperMario · Postby **FireyPaperMario** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:57 pm

*cries* I'M GONNA MISS YOU GUYS!!!!!

Thehelmetguy1 · Postby **Thehelmetguy1** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:11 pm

I don't think the forums will die, but it is still pretty bad that NN ended on the US

aero · Postby **aero** » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:18 pm

Nothing is going to happen.

10 things you can do now:
1. Cancel your internet plan. Make new friends and realize that life is short and we're just vibrations of mass and energy in a perfectly balanced universe.
2. Cut your losses and pay marginally more and marginally less for different services.
3. Invest your time in developing offline software and services.
4. Use p2p services to download content and create your own local media network.
5. Call or write to a local representative to support municipal networks.
6. Support the development of mesh networks.
7. Use physical media for entertainment.
8. Fight consolidation and control of the internet by using DRM free products and services.
9. Use FOSS programs and maintain control of your computing.
10. Realize this isn't a democracy and stop spamming links and calling congress people as if they will change their mind when they already know the overwhelming majority of people strongly oppose what they do.

All of these things you can do on your own right now.