Site Discussion Thread

[Fuyu]

I'm not saying that "being viewed a lot" would directly imply "being on the Episodes tab", but being viewed a lot is still a good coincidence for a quality episode (since it means being popular). Also Airship Attack is nowhere on the list, I checked.

So based on your point of view if an episode had 2500 views and 0 replies it would be considered popular enough to be featured?

[Mable]

I'm not saying that "being viewed a lot" would directly imply "being on the Episodes tab", but being viewed a lot is still a good coincidence for a quality episode (since it means being popular). Also Airship Attack is nowhere on the list, I checked.

Please reread my post, i exactly said it's featured in the main game when you boot up smbx, but it was never added to the list.

Also the problem with the views is still that people can just keep refreshing it until it has a high amount of views.

[aero]

Views aren't a good source, it should be what people are actually playing and enjoying. Keep in mind none of the staff really plays SMBX anymore so just having them compile a list of Episodes through guess work is a really bad idea.

[Snessy the duck]

I understand the concern with the pages being a little outdated (all the episodes and graphics there are still good, though). The episodes page will at some point have the Level Designer episodes (The Great Castle Adventure, Return to Yoshi's Island, etc.) and the graphics page will have the CGFX pack. I also would eventually want to have the graphics section be an MFGG-like system of organizing graphics, but that won't happen for a while if it happens at all. It never seemed like there was a whole lot of interest in the wiki, and I had closed it temporarily because of the issues with flooding.

In short, not sure what will end up happening with those pages yet.

What exactly do you mean with level designer episodes? I also think it's a good idea to bring the GFX tab back, and have that tab contain only GFX Packs, as those contain alot of GFX and are not uploaded or updated on a daily basis, which helps with keeping track of them!

I also have an idea! How about, instead of the Worlds tab, we have the Levels tab, which basically leads to level topics in the level forum! Since after the level topic redesign, level topics are really close to being GFX Packs, so I don't think it's too hard to make a tab for those too, just have them follow the same formula, which is if a lot of the levels the person made get very good reviews and are very popular, not to mention actually good, their respective topic will get featured on the tab! This is a great way for newcomers to the site to find some really good levels, and since levels are more frequent than finished episodes, this will give that tab alot more activity!

These are just some of my ideas for ways to bring those tabs back! Sorry if it sounds a bit weird, I'm not that good with wording, but tell me what you think!

[Fuyu]

The episodes page will at some point have the Level Designer episodes (The Great Castle Adventure, Return to Yoshi's Island, etc.) and the graphics page will have the CGFX pack.

What exactly do you mean with level designer episodes?

Um... he brought some examples. Basically those are episodes the Level Designer team works or has worked on.

[Snessy the duck]

The episodes page will at some point have the Level Designer episodes (The Great Castle Adventure, Return to Yoshi's Island, etc.) and the graphics page will have the CGFX pack.

What exactly do you mean with level designer episodes?

Um... he brought some examples. Basically those are episodes the Level Designer team works or has worked on.

Oh, now I understand! Thanks for clarefying that!

[Fuyu]

Um... he brought some examples. Basically those are episodes the Level Designer team works or has worked on.

Oh, now I understand! Thanks for clarefying that!

No problem.

[FanofSMBX]

I can see why you scrapped Featured Episodes, as you basically thought finished good episodes were as common as normal levels,

I stopped doing featured stuff because I didn't want to update the stuff anymore. Finished episodes are not nearly as common as levels.

I understand the concern with the pages being a little outdated (all the episodes and graphics there are still good, though). The episodes page will at some point have the Level Designer episodes (The Great Castle Adventure, Return to Yoshi's Island, etc.) and the graphics page will have the CGFX pack. I also would eventually want to have the graphics section be an MFGG-like system of organizing graphics, but that won't happen for a while if it happens at all. It never seemed like there was a whole lot of interest in the wiki, and I had closed it temporarily because of the issues with flooding.

In short, not sure what will end up happening with those pages yet.

That's a phrase I haven't heard in a while. Wasn't that episode slightly unfinished?

[Zeldamaster12]

Some Discord related stuff and replies to Aero:

RE: The staffers are upset
No we're not lol

RE: Bringing back #media channel
MAYBE, just MAYBE, we'd have considered bringing it back if people weren't shitposting images on the #mafia channel as some stupid protest to bring the channel back? Making a poll trying to act like the reasonable one in this situation when you just got back from a week ban is ridiculous as well. I wanted the #media channel back when it was first removed, but at this point, I don't. I wouldn't be opposed to a #smbx-media channel however, as Shroom suggested. That seems like it'd work out.

RE: We've taken our voice chat services elsewhere
Okay? Is that supposed to hurt our server? Sorry we didn't add a music streaming bot or whatever. You guys can move to another server to use voice chat, but running around constantly bringing up how you all "moved" and even trying to brag about it is absurd.

[Egg]

It's not shitposting, I caught a big fish and I wanted to show it to everyone, if i posted the picture at #general people are still gonna say its shitposting because "its not mario"

[Zeldamaster12]

It's not shitposting, I caught a big fish and I wanted to show it to everyone, if i posted the picture at #general people are still gonna say its shitposting because "its not mario"

Oh stop lol

[aero]

Making a poll trying to act like the reasonable one in this situation when you just got back from a week ban is ridiculous as well..

Is this going to be a thing now whenever someone doesn't want to respond to a point I make they just bring up "haha you were banned for dumb reasons that weren't even in the rules lol"? I expect this out of other staff more than I do out of you ZM.

Okay? Is that supposed to hurt our server? Sorry we didn't add a music streaming bot or whatever. You guys can move to another server to use voice chat, but running around constantly bringing up how you all "moved" and even trying to brag about it is absurd.

I thought what you guys were trying to increase activity and that's what was important?

[Zeldamaster12]

Is this going to be a thing now whenever someone doesn't want to respond to a point I make they just bring up "haha you were banned for dumb reasons that weren't even in the rules lol"? I expect this out of other staff more than I do out of you ZM.

That's not the point. You just came back from a week ban for acting completely out of line and are, again, trying to act like the reasonable one thinking we'll listen to you when you're still acting out of line on other threads and on Discord too for that matter. We're not going to listen to someone who tries to act like they care about the wellbeing of the forum and server and then turns around and starts trouble on literally a daily basis.

I thought what you guys were trying to increase activity and that's what was important?

A few people who stopped using voice chat because they're mad about us not doing what they wanted isn't draining activity. These people who "migrated" are still active and talking on the server.

[aero]

That's not the point. You just came back from a week ban for acting completely out of line and are, again, trying to act like the reasonable one thinking we'll listen to you when you're still acting out of line on other threads and on Discord too for that matter. We're not going to listen to someone who tries to act like they care about the wellbeing of the forum and server and then turns around and starts trouble on literally a daily basis.

Maybe I'm starting trouble for the staff I guess? Like I can understand you guys being a bit upset about me going through the checklist of dumb stuff being done, but that's no reason to be upset with me. I'm just saying "hey what you're doing is dumb, a lot of people agree, and this push back is even dumber" that's not hurting anyone but you guys and it's just me bringing things out into the open - not fueling any fires, just trying to help. Pseudo sent me a PM calling me out for some reason and used the same kind of talk there so if you could please mention this to the rest of the staff I would appreciate that.

A few people who stopped using voice chat because they're mad about us not doing what they wanted isn't draining activity.

Nobody is mad here, it's just the numbers are against the decision made once again.

[Zeldamaster12]

Maybe I'm starting trouble for the staff I guess? Like I can understand you guys being a bit upset about me going through the checklist of dumb stuff being done, but that's no reason to be upset with me.

You made loads of rude and downright offensive shitpost threads until you got banned. I wouldn't say that's only causing trouble for the staff. On the server, you and your friends also post inappropriate images then shortly delete them so the staff don't notice. Oh and let's not forget your terrible behaviors in the voice chat.

Again, I used to think that you actually cared about the wellbeing of the community until I realized it's all just an act. You complain day in and day out nonstop, it's as if you just dig for things to complain about. You also take shots at Valtteri any chance you can get, and you act like a jerk behind the scenes in general. Some of your recent posts have also been mocking NintendoOtaku93. If you actually cared, you'd at least attempt to have a good behavior.

[aero]

What rude and shit post threads? Again this is something Pseudo PM'd me about and it sounds like more misinformation. I had pretty good discussions right before I was banned, so I'm really not sure what you mean. Also I'm not posting anything that's inappropriate and deleting them on Discord either. Where are you hearing that? And what I completely don't get is what you mean by my "terrible" behavior on voice chat is. Now I know you don't go on voice chat so this cements that someone is going around telling you guys the wrong info, but there's nothing I can do about that.

Do you think if I didn't care about the well being of the community that I would be this adamant about improving it? I only complain when you guys do something wrong, and that is what is day in and day out. I'm not digging it's just a regular thing that happens y'know? Other than that though I give constructive solutions things but they're shot down because it's me saying them. Now I do take shots at Valtteri whenever I can because he is at the center of a lot of problems and dysfunction here, however he's not innocent of doing this to me but instead with non-constructive grand standing. As you told me, he called me a demagogue in private but what I try to do is put my arguments to a number (with polls) and only return fire that's given to me. I'm not here to post a bunch of rhetoric and whine because that would be a waste of time. I will just be highlighting the frequent failures of him, or anyone really that screws up. It's not an attack to put a spotlight on something.

As for the NO93 thing that's just reaching to unrelated matters because it has nothing to do with improving the forum and that's just dirt you're throwing on me to hold your other points down. I'd say I have an excellent behavior and it's the humor patrol that really gets me in trouble here tbh with you.

[Cedur]

I'd say I have an excellent behavior and it's the humor patrol that really gets me in trouble here tbh with you.

Excuse me but that's just hypocritical. We're really not patroling "humor", we try to separate between humor and spam, and you should also stop associating yourself with trolls like the people who started spamming the #mafia channel.

I don't want to say that you should refrain from pointing out any issues there may be with this community and that you feel are legitimate. That's your good right, and I think staff and everyone else should also keep an open ear to you. I know you can be pretty sophisticated, but please, use it prudently. You've been behaving in a rather exaggerated and deliberately provoking way recently, in fact it has been quite comedic - as it's been said above, it has turned more into an "act" than anything constructive, in fact the threads that you got banned for are worth to be considered trolling - your "weeb problem thread", your "better lesson on criticsm", your "real level design tips", just to mention some. It wasn't just the use of curse words, it was the general attitude displayed by that language as well.

[aero]

We're

[Cedur]

We, as in, the community, which we're all a part of.

[aero]

Don't speak for the community dude. Plenty agree with me, some agree with you, many don't either way or have their own thoughts.

Speaking for myself, I am intentionally provactive but what's the problem with that if it results in discussion? The topics you mentioned were heavily suppressed while you left out the ones agreed upon and were able to get traction. That's a good thing.