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MistakesWereMade · Postby **MistakesWereMade** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:25 pm

FanofSMBX wrote:Couldn't you just have a general non English subforum and make the topic title have the language required to post in it in it?

i used to support this idea at the knuxforums, but it's actually just a waste of space, it goes inactive half the time and if the foreign people just wanted to communicate, they could do it through pm or something else

reghrhre · Postby **reghrhre** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:50 pm

Problem is that they shouldn't have their position if they can't attend to it. Take a real life job (which, hell, being on staff is practically a job as you have (a) certain dutie(s)) for example, and you're the boss. Would you wanna keep an employee despite the fact they don't show up to work much which also means they're not doing their job and someone has to do their job for them, if possible for that matter, that's no fun and it makes things complicated for everyone. Oh, did I mention they're getting paid to be at work SOMETIMES, if at all? Those employees are getting money they don't deserve by coming to work late/sometimes AND by making their coworkers do their job for them, can you believe that? Would you be happy to pay someone who does this?

You obviously don't get paid to be on staff :'( so the example may be a bit extreme in a way but that's practically what's happening, a staff member is keeping their job and getting paid for it when they clearly don't deserve it since they can't attend to it enough. So what would I consider the definition of "getting paid" in terms of being a staff member? Well, these people are getting paid the privleage to be a staff member, a person who can help this community become a great and better place and makes users happy to be here, they have the power and privleage to keep things in order so shit doesn't get all messy and yet, they can't bring people happiness! Why? Because they're not even here! Drifting off topic about being a staff member for a second, I'm sure you'll be happy if someone was always there for you whenever you need it right? That's practically what I'm saying here, people aren't happy that a staff member ain't helping them when needed since you know... they're not here, and shits happening, that's what the users here are complaining about, the users are obtaining a severe lack of help, or anything for that matter

Moving on, some workplaces give you a certain amount of chances, waste all of them and you're fired, that should be the case for inactive staff, they're gone for too long/a lot and can't attend their duties. Oh, they're also getting complaints about being inactive from other people, a boss at a workplace (or a manager at a company or whatever) would definitely take action if they got complaints from clientele if they wanna make a place better unless they're stubborn, if they're stubborn then you're pretty much fucked, and tbh, you are being a bit stubborn, Joey.

Please take the time to take my words into consideration and think of inactive staff that way. Obviously, this is not a real life job you get paid for. Even though this is an online community which means people shouldn't be so serious you should know that some people consider this their home or a getaway and if they're home/getaway experience is being ruined and unenjoyable then damn, that sucks! Wouldn't you hate if living at home or going on a getaway sucked? Please think of both sides.

Inactive staff can have their time to shine again once the time comes, once they're active that is, just give up on them for now and repromote them if you ever need them again and when they're active AND if you need staff again. Being on staff is a privleage, very little people get to obtain that privleage

I don't like typing great walls of China's but I thought I'd throw my few cents here; probably won't throw more coins here again though. Joey, you're not a bad person at all, but you really need to think about the way things are run in different lightings. Yes, I drifted off into the "Joey no listen to us" category again, sorry, but that needs to be worked on too

Postby **DarkMatt** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:19 pm

reghrhre wrote:<Message>

Well, I'll be turning in my resignation by tomorrow then.

Snarkiness aside, you're misunderstanding one thing: this is a hobby. This is a project headed by people with a common interest. This is a community we try to have fun with and share fun with others. It's really NOT the same as a real job. That said, you're not going to get far trying to make us treat it like a real job, especially when you use actual labor that pays money as a comparison to--again--a hobby that's for entertainment purposes.

reghrhre · Postby **reghrhre** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:39 pm

Well, the job thing is mostly directed to the staff, not so much the users. But you are right, while my comparison of being a staff member and a real job is a bit extreme, I'm mostly exaggerating the point that Joey needs to realize that keeping inactive people as staff is a no no and that they don't deserve to keep their position if they don't have time to do anything

Skittlez · Postby **Skittlez** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:49 pm

I don't see any huge problem with keeping inactive users as staff. It's not as if inactive staff members are taking up spaces on the staff that could be better given to more active and willing users -- staff positions are (or at least should be) given based on the fact that more moderation is needed on the forum at a given time, not to fill some kind of quota on the exact number of staff members that should be maintained. So having excess staff that isn't very active doesn't take away anyone else's opportunities, waste any resources, or...have any real negative effect as far as I can tell.

Eternity · Postby **Eternity** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:52 pm

Just throwing in that I agree with reghrhre said. It might not have been the best example (but it still fits surprisingly well), but staff inactivity IS a pretty big issue if it's really a thing. Even if there are issues taking higher priority, for the most the ones who are working on it are the staff, so the team being mostly inactive is not going to help. There's no problem if one or two staff members are temporarily unable to do anything but will return soon (or at least have a set date for when they will able to actively participate again) but for the most part the staff is working fine, though.

Skittlez · Postby **Skittlez** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:59 pm

Aeon wrote:It might not have been the best example (but it still fits surprisingly well), but staff inactivity IS a pretty big issue if it's really a thing.

The only way I can see inactive staff being a big issue is if that means that the forum has been left understaffed. As far as I can tell, the mods and admins who are active here are enough to get the job done, given the fact that it's a rather small forum.

reghrhre · Postby **reghrhre** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:38 pm

Well, 3/4 admins aren't too active (from what I heard) so that's a problem. Idk, I personally don't think it's professional to keep people as staff if they can't attend their job, I'm sure lots of people think that way too. They should be replaced with someone who does have the time, either that or just demote them and done, even if they get repromoted in the end doesn't matter, it takes less than a minute to promote and demote someone so it's not time consuming or anything.

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:50 pm

reghrhre wrote:Well, 3/4 admins aren't too active (from what I heard) so that's a problem.

Though this strictly goes by numbers (and, ergo, percentages). 75% of the admin team is inactive? Yeah, that doesn't sound good on the surface.

Except when you realize that all necessary duties from the admin team are usually taken care of. It would be a bad thing if we had inactive staff and there was more to do administratively, but there isn't.

Egg · Postby **Egg** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:17 pm

What's the point of having multiple admins at all?

silent_ · Postby **silent_** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:24 pm

Magibowser wrote:What's the point of having multiple admins at all?

What's the point of not having multiple admins at all?

LennynCarl · Postby **LennynCarl** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:49 pm

Magibowser wrote:What's the point of having multiple admins at all?

The point is simple: Multiple admins are necessary because one admin can't monitor the channel 24/7 - not even the Main-Admin

MistakesWereMade · Postby **MistakesWereMade** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:13 pm

LennynCarl wrote:
Magibowser wrote:What's the point of having multiple admins at all?

The point is simple: Multiple admins are necessary because one admin can't monitor the channel 24/7 - not even the Main-Admin

Those are IRC operators though, we're talking about forum admins.

Skittlez · Postby **Skittlez** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:25 pm

Nien wrote:Those are IRC operators though, we're talking about forum admins.

Even then, it can't hurt to have a few extra admins around for when Joey isn't online.

Eternity · Postby **Eternity** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:48 pm

But why not, you know, have more active admins? Unless every single member of the forum is terrible and shouldn't be trusted with any form of staff powers lol

FanofSMBX · Postby **FanofSMBX** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:08 pm

I think the chat should be moved off StarNet so people can chat when there's an outage.

LennynCarl · Postby **LennynCarl** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:34 pm

Nien wrote:
LennynCarl wrote:
Magibowser wrote:What's the point of having multiple admins at all?

The point is simple: Multiple admins are necessary because one admin can't monitor the channel 24/7 - not even the Main-Admin
Those are IRC operators though, we're talking about forum admins.

Sorry, I was meaning both, Channel & Forum

MistakesWereMade · Postby **MistakesWereMade** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:18 pm

WHAT ACTUALLY JUST UFCKING HAPPENED

jk lol i was in voice with igno and apparently ghosthawk banned a global ip or some shit

LennynCarl · Postby **LennynCarl** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:38 pm

Nien wrote:WHAT ACTUALLY JUST UFCKING HAPPENED

jk lol i was in voice with igno and apparently ghosthawk banned a global ip or some shit

so is everyone banned?

Postby **Shadow Yoshi** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:22 am

Recap of everything that has happened with the site:

- We were DDoS'd for several hours and that attack subsided.
- Once the server was back online, we had to implement further security measures.
- Security measures were implemented successfully, but there was a little bit more sporadic downtime.
- The IRC network has now been fully secured, and a DDoS of that magnitude is now unlikely to cause the amount of problems that it did.
- The site is now running through a CDN, which should make some pages faster and provide greater security against attacks.
- All that's left to fix is the webchat, and the StarNet staff is working on it as we speak.

Once again, sorry for any inconvenience caused over this weekend. Thank you all for your patience, this shouldn't ever happen again.