M38: The Mafia Returns (NIGHT 2)

[Thehelmetguy1]

Shroom is quite an experient player in mafia

[MECHDRAGON777]

I will say a day without lynching can ruin our chances of winning, but voting for the wrong person will make it worse. Who should we go after since Supershroom is most suspecious. Also, it went from me to Supershroom because he was to desperate to bandwagon against me getting lynched day one without much of a reason. He took what ShadowStarX said to far. Just because you suspect someone does not mean you should find them suspecious only because they are the same way to you. Most of the time, that is what a mafia member will do. In this case, it was just that he was to desperate. If I am Lynched, it would only help the mafia, that is it. I think our first target should be to get the third party if we can find them.

[Julia Pseudo]

I mean...what else is there to talk about?

Talking about talking

Why are you being "retarded" here

Hey no reason to be rude, folks are just talking

[Ness-Wednesday]

Excuse me, but I'd rather prefer the statement "low IQ" if it's something serious.
Now to focus on the game:

Shroom is quite an experient player in mafia

This

Also for the record, we can't just say someone is suspicious because of poor defense.
That person would know what s/he's doing so a lynch just for the stated before would be a bit too much.
Therefore at least search and think between the reasoning why one is suspicious and vice versa.
What would makes sense to find Supershroom suspicious, let's start with that?

[Julia Pseudo]

The reasons we find Supershroom suspicious are basically
- he seemed oddly focused on lynching Mech over the miller/millwright statements on Night 1, and has continued to refer to it as suspicious unlike pretty much everyone else
- he would have reason to target Megar after being defeated by him last game
- his defense of "the mafia might be trying to frame me" is pretty weak and suspect

[PersonNamedUser]

Considering Pseudo's reasoning, i'm really beginning to consider voting for Supershroom.

[kr4k1n]

Well now that Psuedo has convinced me enough, I know who I'm voting for.

[MECHDRAGON777]

Honestly, I forgot if this is ballot box or not. (Because the above post)

[Julia Pseudo]

By the way, if someone's been blackmailed could they please post a message clarifying that before the day ends? There doesn't seem to be a Propagandist since no message was revealed but they may just not have used their ability, hard to say.

This isn't a ballot box game, Mech.

[MECHDRAGON777]

Edit: No one has voted yet since no one is sure he is suspecious enough for the Lynch vote. A lot of us find him the most suspecious either way.

[Witchking666]

I suggest we do not lynch off supershroom yet. He is suspicious but history has proven a day 1 lynch to never be a smart thing to do. Instead, I would suggest the sheriff to inspect Supershroom tonight. I know that is uncertain if the sherriff even exists. But I think it's pretty likely that it does because it is pretty obviously a better role than the major. Then again, there is a miller and a millwight and there might be a godfather. but I think the latter is very unlikely. The power of a godfather is basically making people think there is a godfather. So, even if there isn't one that "ability" will be there for the first few phases. In short: I think it would be better to inspect supershroom instead of lynching him. We don't wanna risk losing another special.

[Cedur]

I read everything now and there's a good amount of flaws at some people's logic

Let me get into this.

First thing is: Just because Mech has been confused plenty of times about game mechanics, you now tend to declare him not suspicious no matter how much he contradicts himself. Theoretically he may be godfather and say "If I'm lynched I'm gonna flip green" while as a townsperson he could also flip red/yellow, but that doesn't suspect him, because he's Mech and always screws up. He may accidentally reveal information about a nightly mafia action (e.g. who they transported or silenced w/e) but that doesn't matter, because he's Mech and he also revealed blues and he always confuses everything and you can't read him. That's your exact words.

Second thing is:

he would have reason to target Megar after being defeated by him last game

That wouldn't be any motive for me. Mega claimed his uniquely named town role immediately at the start of the game, people interrogated him after two blues died, he was not suspicious any longer after not being counterclaimed, and later he was the middle man of the alliance just by his early claimed role. There are several other players who can do that as well. That's why the mafia tends to target the good players for N1.
The part of "I might be possibly framed" was the first thing that came to my mind to answer the question "what if the mafia had any tactical thought behind that". Maybe all they did was just RNGing or switching away from the pattern of targeting ZM/Sanct/witchking (whoever died early notoriously). Maybe.

Thirdly:

a lead on N1 is extremely dumb

You can't make this a bold assumption, at least if we're only considering leads spawning from behaviour. There was an existing lead, and the timeframe it happened within didn't make it any less legitimate, until Mech posted the conversation to clarify. Which now means that he's neither much more suspicious nor much more innocent than anyone else.

Fourthly, I'm looking at your behaviour too, Pseudo. I don't recall ever seeing you so aggressively pushing and adamantly pressuring someone before with such poor reasoning ("you wanted to kill Mega for revenge", "you were mafia last game and tried to pull the "I'm manipulated" trick to manipulate yourself so now you're doing it again", etc.). Your behaviour has been unusually ruthless. Furthermore, how is it relevant what I've been doing at 12:30 AM two days ago? I don't go into declaring you suspicious in return for that but you have to explain.

[kr4k1n]

Still not going to change my mind about Supershroom.

[Thehelmetguy1]

Also for the record, we can't just say someone is suspicious because of poor defense.
That person would know what s/he's doing so a lynch just for the stated before would be a bit too much.
Therefore at least search and think between the reasoning why one is suspicious and vice versa.
What would makes sense to find Supershroom suspicious, let's start with that?

M36: I did a bad defense
I turned out to be mafia
M37: DPVM did a bad defense
He was fucking TP
M37: Shroom did a meh defense
He turned out to be a mafia
So bad defenses can make people suspicious.

The part of "I might be possibly framed" was the first thing that came to my mind to answer the question "what if the mafia had any tactical thought behind that". Maybe all they did was just RNGing or switching away from the pattern of targeting ZM/Sanct/witchking (whoever died early notoriously). Maybe.

If you said the very first thing that came to your mind so recklessly, I would say it is a sign of desperation.

[Zeldamaster12]

Call me suspicious if you will, but I do not see why you all are going after Shroom like a mob. Big deal, he suspected Mech N1. Just because the suspicion was proved invalid doesn't mean Shroom should automatically be considered suspicious. You are all being extremely reckless and going after him for small reasons and I ask of you all to think this through before you lynch him.

Something else I'd like to add, besides myself defending him just now, notice how literally NO ONE has defended Shroom throughout this entire debacle. If he were Mafia, don't you think his teammates would be trying to defend him?

I also think Pseudo has been playing a lot more aggressively than usual, so watch out for him and don't automatically assume he's on our side.

[PersonNamedUser]

Something else I'd like to add, besides myself defending him just now, notice how literally NO ONE has defended Shroom throughout this entire debacle. If he were Mafia, don't you think his teammates would be trying to defend him?

I think that this is why no one has voted for him, they suspect him, but their not sure enough to cast a vote on him.

I also think Pseudo has been playing a lot more aggressively than usual, so watch out for him and don't automatically assume he's on our side.

Really? I actually hadn't noticed, that does make me suspect her slightly.

[PersonNamedUser]

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[Thehelmetguy1]

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ZM has a point here. I am not going to vote this day unless something happens.

[Thehelmetguy1]

And yeah, Pseudo looks pretty agressive. Better keep an eye out.

[Ness-Wednesday]

But what would agression have to do with being suspicious?