M33: Christmas is a Few Months Early... Mafia Wins

Postby **Valentine** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:15 am

TNTimelord

Cedur · Postby **Cedur** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:21 am

I'd be actually curious to know how two people died that night. Anyway, things go well as we're going to catch a Mafia member, TNTtimelord

(for the record, I awoke just recently, else I would have voted earlier).

Cedur · Postby **Cedur** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:43 am

... unless Danny's claim about knowing the Caroler's song is fake, in which case we would have to lynch him on Day 3

Postby **Valentine** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:48 am

Supershroom wrote:... unless Danny's claim about knowing the Caroler's song is fake, in which case we would have to lynch him on Day 3

I doubt he would fake it.

If he really is the caroler then he has no reason to.

Danny · Postby **Danny** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:55 am

Supershroom wrote:... unless Danny's claim about knowing the Caroler's song is fake, in which case we would have to lynch him on Day 3

Consider this. Yoshi021 was one on that list, and he was the nurse. I already listed my suspicions on Supershroom (you) and TNT, but TNT is starting to complain that it was all a joke, and that the bandwagon is unwarranted, and he's even vouching for his own death, I'm pretty sure if he was Mafia, he would be defending himself.
At this point, there's no way we can change this to somebody else, unless we somehow get everyone to switch to Supershroom. I'm in contact with Santa now, and he did tell me Supershroom came up green, but something tells both of us that he's the Actress, mostly because he was so adamant on getting Santa to inspect him so he would be trust-able. This leads me to believe that he was the Actress trying to get into the blue alliance.

Going by this new information I have obtained, I am completely changing my vote around and am voting for Supershroom today, and I suggest the rest of you do the same. TNT is innocent until proven guilty, whereas I have enough suspicion (and evidence) to back up that Supershroom is most probably the Actress.

Postby **Valentine** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:57 am

sounds good to me SuperShroom

Cedur · Postby **Cedur** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:38 am

Role description wrote:Actress - Visits a player to learn their color. When they DIE, they cardflip whoever they last visited.

Note: When they die, not when they're inspected by Santa, from what I'm reading.

Anyway Danny, I only came up with the idea in mind that you might have tried to "fuck over" TNT when he started to point suspicion on you (as he said on chat), and for the moment I believe your Caroler claim is true, and knowing if it's true only depends on TNT's roleflip. If TNT turns out to be innocent, your claim must be fake, but if TNT turns out as Mafia, then it's trustworthy and the blue alliance is pretty much confirmed.

Cedur · Postby **Cedur** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:49 am

... Yeah, on another note, if Danny had tried to fake the Caroler's ability, there's a good chance that the Caroler would use his ability on someone else in order to reveal the fake claim. Sorry about what I said before.

And besides, no matter if TNT is guilty or innocent, in both cases he should try to defend himself further instead of trying to suicide; that's just a matter of attitude.

Danny · Postby **Danny** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:15 am

Supershroom wrote:
Role description wrote:Actress - Visits a player to learn their color. When they DIE, they cardflip whoever they last visited.
Note: When they die, not when they're inspected by Santa, from what I'm reading.

Then why were you so adamant to get inspected in the first place?

Supershroom wrote:Anyway Danny, I only came up with the idea in mind that you might have tried to "fuck over" TNT when he started to point suspicion on you (as he said on chat), and for the moment I believe your Caroler claim is true, and knowing if it's true only depends on TNT's roleflip. If TNT turns out to be innocent, your claim must be fake, but if TNT turns out as Mafia, then it's trustworthy and the blue alliance is pretty much confirmed.

Here's the underlying problem. If he flips and isn't Mafia, then why would you be dismissing yourself as a suspect, and why are you so adamant on finding reasons to lynch me?
Here's a thought, and I'm coming to come straight forward with this. I used my ability on Mechdragon, so if there's anyone that faked a list, it would be him. He seems trustworthy enough to me that he wouldn't have faked the claims.

Now, why would it all depend on TNT's flip? You're trying to defend yourself to get us to lynch TNT, and then you're advocating that if he doesn't come up Mafia, I should be lynched. From this scenario, this is exactly what I would expect a mafioso to do, since if they play their cards right and swindle the opposition, they can get the town on their side. You're trying to get TNT lynched off, because you know he'll come up green, and then you're attempting to direct all of the lynch votes on the next day to me, that way you get out unscathed possibly, that or you're on a suicide mission to kill as many town members as possible because you know if you play your cards right the town will lynch me off if they follow by your logic, meaning you can conspire with your other teammates to kill off someone else during the night, thus achieving a higher kill ratio than you would without coming up with this tactic.
Trust me, I've been Mafia plenty times before, I know tricks like this, and it's not going to work on me.

Cedur · Postby **Cedur** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:31 am

Danny wrote:Then why were you so adamant to get inspected in the first place?

Because I already fell under some suspicion on Day 1 and I wanted myself to be confirmed innocent, no other reason. Again, pls check the note on the Actress' role description.

Right now I have ZERO reason to have you lynched, the one who we must lynch is TNT for being 100% Mafia.

After reading through TNT's chat messages, I got aware of the theoretical possibility that you might have pulled off an awful trick, and that we should lynch you next day IF it turned out to be a trick; but albeit thinking of that possibility I didn't have a scumread on you, and I thought again for a second to acknowledge that you have NOT been playing tricks.

Danny · Postby **Danny** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:46 am

If you want another reason to trust that I'm the Caroler, know that the doctor protected me and a Mafioso wouldn't try to make a kill attempt on their own kind.

You never really had any suspicion on you Day 1, people just asked the question of "why should we trust you?". That's a question, not immediate suspicion, there's a difference.

Cedur · Postby **Cedur** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:49 am

Yeah, I wanted to be confirmed innocent so the blue alliance would be formed, but it seems like it has been formed already.

Danny · Postby **Danny** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:56 am

Wait a minute, I'm a dumb person. Lets all play stupid here for a moment. I'm going to give you a threat.

I have a gun, and I was given the gun on the first night. So lets look at it from a different perspective.
If TNT comes up green, I have every right to shoot you, Supershroom, during the night. If he doesn't turn up green, I can save the shot for somebody else.
Now, hypothetically, if I do shoot Supershroom and he doesn't die, then it's likely the gun was given to me by the Mafia and that pretty much confirms that Supershroom is part of the Mafia, in which case we should definitely work towards lynching him Day 3.

For now, lets focus our attention on TNT. I'm changing my vote back to TNTtimelord.

Danny · Postby **Danny** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:58 am

Supershroom wrote:Yeah, I wanted to be confirmed innocent so the blue alliance would be formed, but it seems like it has been formed already.

I already took great strides in forming a blue alliance before you decided to pipe up that your ultimate plan was to do exactly that. Seems kind of moot to make an attempt to form a blue alliance when once was practically already formed.

Cedur · Postby **Cedur** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:26 am

Seems like I got to hope now that TNT isn't the Actress. The gun from the Associate acts differently than Santa's guns, though. Did Santa give it to you, since you are in contact with him?

Doesntpostverymuch · Postby **Doesntpostverymuch** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:12 am

If TNT is innocent then that means we have to lynch supershroom tommorow

Doesntpostverymuch · Postby **Doesntpostverymuch** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:12 am

and i also have to apologize to TNT if he's actually inno

Postby **Ness-Wednesday** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:15 am

You know what?
After I thought of this for a few minutes, I feel like TNTtimelord is more innocent.
So as of right now, I'm voting Supershroom.

Also, I apologize to TNT but dude, there's no to be so upset about it, stuff like this could happen to anyone in Mafia.

Zeldamaster12 · Postby **Zeldamaster12** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:37 pm

TNTtimelord

If TNT ends up being part of the Town, then Shroom has to be a Mafioso.

Cedur · Postby **Cedur** » Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:11 pm

Now that I noticed it. I completely missed the part about Danny claiming his role on Page 4, which hopefully explains my behaviour now.

Either way, even if TNT turns out as an innocent role, it means that he's the Actress in disguise, and you should still keep his "middle rule" post in mind - if I were innocent in his place, I could find many other ways than something being based on "superstition".