PGE thread [Archive 2015-07-31]

Sednaiur · Postby **Sednaiur** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:41 pm

It's me again, with a new problem that just occured with the newest version of your editor (26.04).

I just downloaded and installed it, but it suddenly dosn't works anymore, because it pops up that:
"The program can't start because libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem"
Obviously how it always is, reinstalling the program didn't fix it, aswell as manually installing it into the system/system32 folder.
I already googled it, but I cannot get it to work anymore. What went wrong there?

EDIT: Just forget what I just said. I could fix the problem :-)

Wohlstand · Postby **Wohlstand** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:16 pm

Sednaiur wrote:It's me again, with a new problem that just occured with the newest version of your editor (26.04).

I just downloaded and installed it, but it suddenly dosn't works anymore, because it pops up that:
"The program can't start because libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem"
Obviously how it always is, reinstalling the program didn't fix it, aswell as manually installing it into the system/system32 folder.
I already googled it, but I cannot get it to work anymore. What went wrong there?

EDIT: Just forget what I just said. I could fix the problem

Ouch!
The installation package without than library

I will put them into and will send archive with them.
Anyway you should re-download installer because I updated it too

EDIT: the editor no more shoud ask for libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll file because I built it statically with libstdc++-6 and with libwinpthread-1. You must re-download online installer and try out again.

YouTube · Postby **bossedit8** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:59 am

Heya. I made a video about trying to test the engine and it is here. It's on version 0.0.8 pre-alpha:

Original Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PImwSLhuokA

HunnyBon · Postby **HunnyBon** » Fri May 01, 2015 8:23 am

bossedit8 wrote:Heya. I made a video about trying to test the engine and it is here. It's on version 0.0.8 pre-alpha:

*cuts youtube off to save space*

Original Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PImwSLhuokA

I have to say that the engine really has gone far from the first time I saw it, could the inevitable finishing product be predicted datewise? (I would say mid-2016)

Wohlstand · Postby **Wohlstand** » Sun May 03, 2015 6:12 am

-> PGE 0.3.0
Updated version of editor and working experimental engine part to test your stuff and having more fun!
EDIT: Bugfix has been applied!

Changelog 0.3.0.1

Spoiler: show

Screenshots

Spoiler: show

Note: If you looking up for engine controlling, read this text file. In next builds of engine I will add ability to set up custom control keys.

Online installer

Get updated Online Installer for Windows. Online installer will download and install all necessary stuff automatically!

Portable packages
Standalone archives are including Editor, Engine, Playable Character Sprite Calibrator, GIFs2PNG, PNG2GIFs and LazyFix Tool. To get PGE working you must download one of configuration packages here

Download PGE 0.3.0.1 for Win32

Download PGE 0.3.0.1 for Linux Mint/Ubuntu

Download PGE 0.3.0-beta2 for Mac OS X
(be careful, this build is older than current builds for Windows and Linux. It works fine, but contains small unfixed bugs, to fix them I need rebuild it, but temporary I can't make new Mac builds)

Download experimental Android built of PGE Editor 0.3.0.1
(Recommended usage on tablets. Sound and music is not works. Install config pack into /sdcard/PGE Project data/configs folder)

Source code

Download source code (zip)

Download source code (tar.gz)

Wohlstand · Postby **Wohlstand** » Tue May 12, 2015 12:13 pm

Minor updates after release (updated version since 11 may 2015 build date):
- Fixed musicbox history
- Fixed history of z-values
- Copy-pasting bugs has been fixed
- Added support of custom music on world map (WLDX files only!)

Links and main-post are updated!

Danny · Postby **Danny** » Tue May 12, 2015 12:15 pm

Wohlstand wrote:Minor updates after release (updated version since 11 may 2015 build date):
- Fixed musicbox history
- Fixed history of z-values
- Copy-pasting bugs has been fixed
- Added support of custom music on world map (WLDX files only!)

Links and main-post are updated!

You should create a client that automatically gives updates.

Wohlstand · Postby **Wohlstand** » Tue May 12, 2015 12:19 pm

8bitmushroom wrote:
Wohlstand wrote:Minor updates after release (updated version since 11 may 2015 build date):
- Fixed musicbox history
- Fixed history of z-values
- Copy-pasting bugs has been fixed
- Added support of custom music on world map (WLDX files only!)

Links and main-post are updated!
You should create a client that automatically gives updates.

In works a "PGE Manager" component which will provide user-friendly config pack installing and updating of PGE Components. However online installer usually downloads laboratory builds which a most fresh, therefore online installer users will always up to date when installing via it

Alagirez · Postby **Alagirez** » Fri May 15, 2015 11:20 am

FINALLY PGE HASS BEEN UPDATED!

but.....
how to update PGE?
I have the old version. I no want to re-download it again.

Wohlstand · Postby **Wohlstand** » Fri May 15, 2015 2:04 pm

andialifbatara wrote:FINALLY PGE HASS BEEN UPDATED!
but.....
how to update PGE?
I have the old version. I no want to re-download it again.

Yes, redownload and overwrite your stuff manually.
You also can Use online installer and install it over old version (all configuration peaks must be updated too! )

Wohlstand · Postby **Wohlstand** » Thu May 21, 2015 9:30 am

Small news
Just found problem with PGE Editor on Windows XP. Problem has been fixed, all downloads has been updated.

YouTube · Postby **bossedit8** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:39 am

PGE_Engine Version 0.0.10 pre-alpha playthrough:

Original Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yc2dGCzrQM

You can also see my SMBX Episode aswell as of how it was constructed so far.

Trace · Postby **Trace** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:12 pm

im suprised how fast this is going! in the version i have right now, the run jumps are like in super mario world, are you gonna keep that? hopefully yes, because then my brother might get more intrested in it cause he cant control smb3 jumps. by the way, why is the loading screen shown in bossedits video styled like the asmbxt stuff?

Wohlstand · Postby **Wohlstand** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:42 pm

Trace42 wrote:im suprised how fast this is going! in the version i have right now, the run jumps are like in super mario world, are you gonna keep that? hopefully yes, because then my brother might get more intrested in it cause he cant control smb3 jumps.

I think, while I developing physical engine to replace Box2D, I will make physics configurable, I.e. you will can have or SMB3, or SMW, or any custom physics configured in the INI file of config pack. At first I will make physics similar to SMBX but with a fixing of annoying bugs which causes dumb deaths in the important moment

Trace42 wrote: by the way, why is the loading screen shown in bossedits video styled like the asmbxt stuff?

Which video? I think, he was used A2XT config pack, PGE has multiple config packs and can be used as for SMBX 1.3 and for A2XT too

Fennor · Postby **Fennor** » Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:22 am

Trace42 wrote:im suprised how fast this is going! in the version i have right now, the run jumps are like in super mario world, are you gonna keep that? hopefully yes, because then my brother might get more intrested in it cause he cant control smb3 jumps. by the way, why is the loading screen shown in bossedits video styled like the asmbxt stuff?

Currently it is hard for me to control the character properly.

I think that is mainly due to the differences in acceleration between being on the floor and being in the air. Like in SMBX and most normal mario games, there is a force that slows you down automatically when you are on the floor and stop pressing an arrow key. Without that force you obviously would just continue running into the same direction even though you stopped pressing any buttons. That force usually is not active when you are in the air, so even though you don't press to the right or left anymore, you still can keep momentum by continuously jumping. (Actually I think in SMBX there also is a force that slows you down while jumping, but it only slows you down to walking speed, it won't slow you down any further, in PGE you can keep running speed in the air when not pressing any arrow keys)

I think that slow down works differently in PGE than it does in SMBX. I assume that the force in SMBX only exists when you actually don't press right or left, while in PGE it also is there when you are trying to run or walk on the floor. That means that the force will reduce your acceleration when you are starting to walk/run. The 'walkingforce' (acceleration for walking that can be found in lvl_characters.ini) is very high for that reason, it has to be high in order to withstand the slowdown force. But since jumping isn't effected by that slow down, jumping will give you the acceleration of the full 'walking force', making jumping the best way to accelerate from standing still, and that feels a little strange in my opinion, it also is hard to control since the acceleration is so fast compared to the acceleration on the ground, you get such a sudden boost as soon as you start jumping. For some reason your acceleration is even better when duck jumping, but I have nor explanation for that, is the acceleration doubled somehow when duck jumping?

That force in PGE actually also helps you slowing down when pressing the left arrow key after you ran to the right. You slow down by the amount of the left running acceleration plus the slow down of that force. While you are in the air you only have the acceleration for going left that slows you down, so it takes much longer for you to stop when you are in the air, that also makes controling the jump harder in my opinion. In SMBX deceleration on the floor and in the air is about the same.

Edit: I think I feels better when changing 'walkinforce' to something like 1200, then the acceleration between being in the air and on the floor doesn't feel that high anymore. Also the acceleration when being on the floor feels more on par with SMBX. Won't change that jumping is the best way to accelerate, though.

Wohlstand · Postby **Wohlstand** » Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:35 am

Fennor wrote:
Trace42 wrote:im suprised how fast this is going! in the version i have right now, the run jumps are like in super mario world, are you gonna keep that? hopefully yes, because then my brother might get more intrested in it cause he cant control smb3 jumps. by the way, why is the loading screen shown in bossedits video styled like the asmbxt stuff?
Currently it is hard for me to control the character properly.

I think that is mainly due to the differences in acceleration between being on the floor and being in the air. Like in SMBX and most normal mario games, there is a force that slows you down automatically when you are on the floor and stop pressing an arrow key. Without that force you obviously would just continue running into the same direction even though you stopped pressing any buttons. That force usually is not active when you are in the air, so even though you don't press to the right or left anymore, you still can keep momentum by continuously jumping. (Actually I think in SMBX there also is a force that slows you down while jumping, but it only slows you down to walking speed, it won't slow you down any further, in PGE you can keep running speed in the air when not pressing any arrow keys)

I think that slow down works differently in PGE than it does in SMBX. I assume that the force in SMBX only exists when you actually don't press right or left, while in PGE it also is there when you are trying to run or walk on the floor. That means that the force will reduce your acceleration when you are starting to walk/run. The 'walkingforce' (acceleration for walking that can be found in lvl_characters.ini) is very high for that reason, it has to be high in order to withstand the slowdown force. But since jumping isn't effected by that slow down, jumping will give you the acceleration of the full 'walking force', making jumping the best way to accelerate from standing still, and that feels a little strange in my opinion, it also is hard to control since the acceleration is so fast compared to the acceleration on the ground, you get such a sudden boost as soon as you start jumping. For some reason your acceleration is even better when duck jumping, but I have nor explanation for that, is the acceleration doubled somehow when duck jumping?

That force in PGE actually also helps you slowing down when pressing the left arrow key after you ran to the right. You slow down by the amount of the left running acceleration plus the slow down of that force. While you are in the air you only have the acceleration for going left that slows you down, so it takes much longer for you to stop when you are in the air, that also makes controling the jump harder in my opinion. In SMBX deceleration on the floor and in the air is about the same.

Edit: I think I feels better when changing 'walkinforce' to something like 1200, then the acceleration between being in the air and on the floor doesn't feel that high anymore. Also the acceleration when being on the floor feels more on par with SMBX. Won't change that jumping is the best way to accelerate, though.

The main problem why in PGE is different accelerations while character on floor or in air is a friction - the Box2d simulates realworld physics, therefore it uses friction, impulse, mass, etc. Therefore when I implemented R-Tree index table into engine, I'm ready to start development of own physical engine which will do SMBX-like physics, therefore will be possible to have same physics which was in the SMBX, and even can be configured to do SMW-like physics (which in some cases better than SMBX's).

Anyway, here is my test of speeds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sClQoku5JX0

1) Player's speed is NOT decelerating while player in air and while run key pressed.
2) If run key is not pressed, player in air will decelerate before speed will be equal to "walking speed"
3) Speeds are SAME in air or on floor, because SMBX doesn't count friction. BUT, decelerates speed of player while it on the floor

YouTube · Postby **bossedit8** » Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:49 am

Wohlstand wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sClQoku5JX0

Fixed video code:

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Wohlstand · Postby **Wohlstand** » Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:53 am

bossedit8 wrote:
Wohlstand wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sClQoku5JX0
Fixed video code:

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sClQoku5JX0[/youtube]

Oops.., accidentally missed up, thanks

Fennor · Postby **Fennor** » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:12 pm

Thanks for the video.

And what about the jumping while ducking? If you duck while jumping you accelerate even faster than you would when jumping normally. (Even though both shouldn't be affected by any friction)

Wohlstand · Postby **Wohlstand** » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:19 pm

Fennor wrote:Thanks for the video.

And what about the jumping while ducking? If you duck while jumping you accelerate even faster than you would when jumping normally. (Even though both shouldn't be affected by any friction)

Box2d also provides a mass unit. Each contactable body is a fixture. Mass of body dependent to square of all fixtures associates with this body. "Ducking" fixture has ~2x less size than regular fixture, therefore when you apply same force for slighter body causes faster acceleration.
This is another reason to code own physical engine. Also you have no able walk up on slope which is not good

This article has some explaining why Box2d is NOT good for a platform games