M16: The Best of Both Worlds - MAFIA VICTORY

[MistakesWereMade]

Well, based on his behavior last night, I'm voting for PaperPlayerX.

Being defensive because I was provoked isn't suspicious. Having my own opinion doesn't make me suspicious. By this logic, 8bit should be lynched too because he had a sliver of doubt in the alliance.
I'm currently voting for nobody until we have further (actual) evidence.

you can't say "i'm not suspicious", its not something for you to choose.

half of your actions yesterday couldnt have just flat out been because you were mad at life. maybe your anger made you a lot more nervous than normal and you were slipping up on your words.

In any case, you do seem suspicious, but i'm not going to vote to lynch you unless u can prove that you're not a mafia.

[MacheTheFerret]

Your actions were not ethical for a townsperson at all.

You flamed like hell, tried to get the alliance broken up when all the blues in the group were already confirmed, and you looked suspicious when Mivixion as interrogating you.

The flaming was stupid of me, yes, but flaming doesn't equal automatic Mafia.
Also, I never tried to break up the alliance. When I tried to have my own opinion, everyone jumped on me, so I defended myself. When did I try to "break up" this alliance?
Lastly, how did I look suspicious during the interrogation? You didn't even explain that part.

I don't know what color I am. I could be green, yellow, or red, but I'm a townsperson plain and simple. And from what I've heard, Nickname, who's dead, as the Sheriff, meaning the only way you'd figure out my color is if I'd die. I'm backed into a corner right now.

Also, there is a flaw with your alliance in it of itself. How do you know you have ALL the blues in your group? How did you confirm one another? There could be a Mafia amongst that group who knows who ALL of the blues are, thanks to your alliance. Is this not true (unless I missed something, if I did, please clear me up on what ever it is that I'm forgetting)?

[Zeldamaster12]

I've only gotten one claim from each blue, and they're definitely Town.

[RudeGuy]

Also, there is a flaw with your alliance in it of itself. How do you know you have ALL the blues in your group? How did you confirm one another? There could be a Mafia amongst that group who knows who ALL of the blues are, thanks to your alliance. Is this not true (unless I missed something, if I did, please clear me up on what ever it is that I'm forgetting)?

If there was a mafia trying to get into the alliance, then there should've been 2 roleclaims of one role, and this never happened.

[Danny]

By this logic, 8bit should be lynched too because he had a sliver of doubt in the alliance.

I barely have any doubt in the alliance and I actually think it benefits the town a lot, the little that I did have was just something I thought that could have happened but so far it seems it hasn't so I don't really have any more doubt about the alliance.

I'm not voting for anybody right now, but I have suspicions on PaperPlayerX.

[MacheTheFerret]

Also, there is a flaw with your alliance in it of itself. How do you know you have ALL the blues in your group? How did you confirm one another? There could be a Mafia amongst that group who knows who ALL of the blues are, thanks to your alliance. Is this not true (unless I missed something, if I did, please clear me up on what ever it is that I'm forgetting)?

If there was a mafia trying to get into the alliance, then there should've been 2 roleclaims of one role, and this never happened.

Oh really? How do you know?

Also, if someone were to counterclaim, there's still an even chance of either the original claim or the counterclaim being bogus.

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Another thing. I just reread Joey's suspicion list from earlier, and I think it's fair to say that some of his reasons for suspecting some people are bogus. Let's look at the second tier first:

Keep this tier on watch
1. Mivixion: Could definitely be up to some sneaky stuff. Has some experience playing elsewhere.
2. Frozen Boo: I think he was siding with Bloodedge at some point? I think it's likely that Bloodedge was the serial killer, and that role shares similar goals to the Mafia so they might think the same on some things.
3. BlimpFruit: As with PaperPlayerX, gut feelings are useless without explanation. Since Bloodedge was likely the SK, we need to keep an eye on BlimpFruit in case he tries to use this to defend his "gut feelings". Seems like something a Mafia member would do.

(Note that I replaced the dashes with numbers to distinguish my responses easier. Nothing else was altered in this quote.)
1.Notice how he tries to use other games an an excuse to suspect Mivixion. That's bogus reasoning numero uno.
2.That reasoning with Frozen Boo though. It's a very great leap of logic if I do say so myself. Let's run it down; so, because Frozen Boo wanted to defend someone, and that someone has a 50% of being a Serial Killer, AND the serial killer is LIKE the Mafia, Frozen Boo must be Mafia. Bogus reasoning number two.
3. So apparently BlimpFruit is automatically suspicious because he had a feeling about something? Absolutely not! And using gut feeling as a defense is something I'm pretty sure NONE of us would do, let alone something a MAFIA would do. Bogus reasoning the third.

Would introduce to Quill's daughter tier
- Zeldamaster12: Is a confirmed human.
- Joey: hi

While I can understand Joey's reasoning for putting Zelda on the list, considering his beliefs, there's no excuse for putting himself here. It's almost as if he wants to make himself look as innocent as possible, no?

The only part of the list I actually agree with is the "needs to post more" list. Seriously, don't sign up for Mafia if you're going to barely post or idle.

For my reasoning above, my lynch vote goes to Joey. Counterarguments are welcome.

[Zeldamaster12]

Replies in red.

Also, there is a flaw with your alliance in it of itself. How do you know you have ALL the blues in your group? How did you confirm one another? There could be a Mafia amongst that group who knows who ALL of the blues are, thanks to your alliance. Is this not true (unless I missed something, if I did, please clear me up on what ever it is that I'm forgetting)?

If there was a mafia trying to get into the alliance, then there should've been 2 roleclaims of one role, and this never happened.

Oh really? How do you know?

Also, if someone were to counterclaim, there's still an even chance of either the original claim or the counterclaim being bogus.

I'm positive that if I was a phony, then the real Doublevoter would have claimed right now. But has this happened? No. I didn't get a single counterclaim, which is why I'm confirmed as the Doublevoter. Likewise, I haven't received two different claims for a Blue, which backs up that they're legit. And I'm in contact with every single special role.

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Another thing. I just reread Joey's suspicion list from earlier, and I think it's fair to say that some of his reasons for suspecting some people are bogus. Let's look at the second tier first:

Keep this tier on watch
1. Mivixion: Could definitely be up to some sneaky stuff. Has some experience playing elsewhere.
2. Frozen Boo: I think he was siding with Bloodedge at some point? I think it's likely that Bloodedge was the serial killer, and that role shares similar goals to the Mafia so they might think the same on some things.
3. BlimpFruit: As with PaperPlayerX, gut feelings are useless without explanation. Since Bloodedge was likely the SK, we need to keep an eye on BlimpFruit in case he tries to use this to defend his "gut feelings". Seems like something a Mafia member would do.

(Note that I replaced the dashes with numbers to distinguish my responses easier. Nothing else was altered in this quote.)
1.Notice how he tries to use other games an an excuse to suspect Mivixion. That's bogus reasoning numero uno.
No, it's a completely legitimate reason. He's very experienced at Mafia, so he knows how to use deception to its fullest extent. Did you see how far he got as SK in my game? Although, I can confirm he was Town, but regardless, it wasn't "bogus reasoning".
2.That reasoning with Frozen Boo though. It's a very great leap of logic if I do say so myself. Let's run it down; so, because Frozen Boo wanted to defend someone, and that someone has a 50% of being a Serial Killer, AND the serial killer is LIKE the Mafia, Frozen Boo must be Mafia. Bogus reasoning number two.
I didn't really understand the reasoning behind this because the SK and Mafia have different goals, and they surely wouldn't help each other. Still though, Bloodedge definitely wasn't showing Town vibes, so I'm almost positive he was the SK. Still though, I kinda agree that this reasoning was bad.
3. So apparently BlimpFruit is automatically suspicious because he had a feeling about something? Absolutely not! And using gut feeling as a defense is something I'm pretty sure NONE of us would do, let alone something a MAFIA would do. Bogus reasoning the third.
Gut feelings are not a reason to suspect someone. For example, in this game, I'm suspecting 8bit just because deep down inside, I think he could be Mafia. See? There's no logic in that, and I have no way to back up my statement other than that it's a gut feeling. You cannot use gut feelings as proof in this sense.

Would introduce to Quill's daughter tier
- Zeldamaster12: Is a confirmed human.
- Joey: hi

While I can understand Joey's reasoning for putting Zelda on the list, considering his beliefs, there's no excuse for putting himself here. It's almost as if he wants to make himself look as innocent as possible, no?
If he's Town, and he knows that he's Town, why wouldn't he put himself on there?

The only part of the list I actually agree with is the "needs to post more" list. Seriously, don't sign up for Mafia if you're going to barely post or idle.
I actually do agree with this. I see people who sign up in every single game, but hardly post or contribute to the game. Kinda annoying to say the least. If they sign up, they need to play.

For my reasoning above, my lynch vote goes to Joey. Counterarguments are welcome.

[MacheTheFerret]

Replies in green.

Replies in red.

Also, if someone were to counterclaim, there's still an even chance of either the original claim or the counterclaim being bogus.

I'm positive that if I was a phony, then the real Doublevoter would have claimed right now. But has this happened? No. I didn't get a single counterclaim, which is why I'm confirmed as the Doublevoter. Likewise, I haven't received two different claims for a Blue, which backs up that they're legit. And I'm in contact with every single special role.
Think about the inactive players. They could be the real blues and that's why they haven't counterclaimed yet. And even if the most inactive player has already claimed his role here, they could be lying.

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Another thing. I just reread Joey's suspicion list from earlier, and I think it's fair to say that some of his reasons for suspecting some people are bogus. Let's look at the second tier first:

Keep this tier on watch
1. Mivixion: Could definitely be up to some sneaky stuff. Has some experience playing elsewhere.
2. Frozen Boo: I think he was siding with Bloodedge at some point? I think it's likely that Bloodedge was the serial killer, and that role shares similar goals to the Mafia so they might think the same on some things.
3. BlimpFruit: As with PaperPlayerX, gut feelings are useless without explanation. Since Bloodedge was likely the SK, we need to keep an eye on BlimpFruit in case he tries to use this to defend his "gut feelings". Seems like something a Mafia member would do.

(Note that I replaced the dashes with numbers to distinguish my responses easier. Nothing else was altered in this quote.)
1.Notice how he tries to use other games an an excuse to suspect Mivixion. That's bogus reasoning numero uno.
No, it's a completely legitimate reason. He's very experienced at Mafia, so he knows how to use deception to its fullest extent. Did you see how far he got as SK in my game? Although, I can confirm he was Town, but regardless, it wasn't "bogus reasoning".
My point here was that Joey is trying to use Mivixion's GENERAL experience with other Mafia games as a means of putting him in a bad light, which is weird.
2.That reasoning with Frozen Boo though. It's a very great leap of logic if I do say so myself. Let's run it down; so, because Frozen Boo wanted to defend someone, and that someone has a 50% of being a Serial Killer, AND the serial killer is LIKE the Mafia, Frozen Boo must be Mafia. Bogus reasoning number two.
I didn't really understand the reasoning behind this because the SK and Mafia have different goals, and they surely wouldn't help each other. Still though, Bloodedge definitely wasn't showing Town vibes, so I'm almost positive he was the SK. Still though, I kinda agree that this reasoning was bad.
So we're not completely on different pages. That's good to here.
3. So apparently BlimpFruit is automatically suspicious because he had a feeling about something? Absolutely not! And using gut feeling as a defense is something I'm pretty sure NONE of us would do, let alone something a MAFIA would do. Bogus reasoning the third.
Gut feelings are not a reason to suspect someone. For example, in this game, I'm suspecting 8bit just because deep down inside, I think he could be Mafia. See? There's no logic in that, and I have no way to back up my statement other than that it's a gut feeling. You cannot use gut feelings as proof in this sense.
I agree that gut feelings aren't the best reasons to be suspicious of someone, but gut feelings are also not a reason for people to call the person with the gut feeling a Mafioso. That was my point here.

Would introduce to Quill's daughter tier
- Zeldamaster12: Is a confirmed human.
- Joey: hi

While I can understand Joey's reasoning for putting Zelda on the list, considering his beliefs, there's no excuse for putting himself here. It's almost as if he wants to make himself look as innocent as possible, no?
If he's Town, and he knows that he's Town, why wouldn't he put himself on there?
Why does he put himself on this part of the list anyways? To rub it in? Or something?

The only part of the list I actually agree with is the "needs to post more" list. Seriously, don't sign up for Mafia if you're going to barely post or idle.
I actually do agree with this. I see people who sign up in every single game, but hardly post or contribute to the game. Kinda annoying to say the least. If they sign up, they need to play.
Maybe we need to set a minimum number of posts per phase to keep ACTIVE players in the game and replace inactive players. That might cause problems, however, but it's a suggestion.

For my reasoning above, my lynch vote goes to Joey. Counterarguments are welcome.

[Zeldamaster12]

The only thing I feel I need to reply is to PPX's first statement.

Every single player that signed up other than me said that they were not the Doublevoter. Nickname made sure to hear from every single player in the game before Night 1 ended. Go back to the first 10 pages or so.

[MacheTheFerret]

The only thing I feel I need to reply is to PPX's first statement.

Every single player that signed up other than me said that they were not the Doublevoter. Nickname made sure to hear from every single player in the game before Night 1 ended. Go back to the first 10 pages or so.

Sure, they said what they WEREN'T, but there are a few who haven't claimed (or even softclaimed, for that matter), what they WERE. And even still, lies. Anything can be a lie, except what can be proven with evidence. How can we prove that three people who claimed to NOT be the doublevoter are..anything? We don't even have a Sheriff anymore, apparently, unless Nickname isn't the Sheriff after all.

[Choco]

I don't think it was a good idea to vote to lynch Joey, though. Joey can have his own suspicions. Some of them make sense.

[Zeldamaster12]

Nickname was the Sheriff, I was in contact with him on Night 1.

Also, refer back to this:

I'm positive that if I was a phony, then the real Doublevoter would have claimed by now. But has this happened? No. I didn't get a single counterclaim, which is why I'm confirmed as the Doublevoter.

[MacheTheFerret]

I don't think it was a good idea to vote to lynch Joey, though. Joey can have his own suspicions. Some of them make sense.

No one else is suspicious though, and I'm not going to put my vote on Zelda.

Nickname was the Sheriff, I was in contact with him on Night 1.

Also, refer back to this:

I'm positive that if I was a phony, then the real Doublevoter would have claimed by now. But has this happened? No. I didn't get a single counterclaim, which is why I'm confirmed as the Doublevoter.

What does that have to do with this;

Sure, they said what they WEREN'T, but there are a few who haven't claimed (or even softclaimed, for that matter), what they WERE. And even still, lies. Anything can be a lie, except what can be proven with evidence. How can we prove that three people who claimed to NOT be the doublevoter are..anything? We don't even have a Sheriff anymore, apparently, unless Nickname isn't the Sheriff after all.

[Zeldamaster12]

The quote I posted was referring to the question "what if the real Doublevoter hasn't spoken up yet?"

Anyways, the reason why I trust all the blues that I'm in contact with is because I haven't gotten more than one claim of the same role. Even then, I think they've proven themselves plenty enough to be legit.

[Shadow Yoshi]

RE: putting myself on my own suspicion list

That's common when making suspicion lists. It doesn't really mean anything besides a reaffirmation that I'm not suspicious, for the purpose of including everyone in the suspicion list (i.e. not leaving myself out).

[Danny]

Voting for PaperPlayerX. His pessimism is kind of getting a little ridiculous. I can't really say anything else since everything has pretty much already been said by Zeldamaster and others.

I don't think it was a good idea to vote to lynch Joey, though. Joey can have his own suspicions. Some of them make sense.

No one else is suspicious though, and I'm not going to put my vote on Zelda.

Is Joey really suspicious though? He did come up with the great idea of this alliance, and while I was skeptical of it at first, it's starting to really become a good idea and has gotten all of the blues in contact with each other, which is what the Town needs.

[Danny]

Especially early on, I forgot to add.

[Choco]

Yeah, Joey started up this alliance. He wouldn't do that if he was Mafia, he'd be REALLY helping the town.
PPX seems to WANT to be a pessimist and suspect all the wrong people. I'm voting for him right now, but will change my vote if something coves up.

PaperPlayerX

[MacheTheFerret]

Okay, you know what? fine. Kill me. You're making a mistake anyways.
You know what? This is Mivixion's fault.
If he hadn't said "oh having a fucking opinion is a common Mafia tactic," then none of this shit would've happened.

Pseudo-Dino, give these idiots what they want and kill me, I'm done.

[Zeldamaster12]

Oh boy, flaming again. Didn't you JUST apologize for that?

It's just a game, stop taking this so seriously.