It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

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It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby TheNightingale » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:37 pm

(For those who don't know, SMBX 1.3.0.2 is a build that adds the LunaLua features to SMBX 1.3.0.1 and it can be found on the official LunaLua page)

Well, I started using SMBX 1.3.0.1 in my old desktop computer (which is almost died...), but some time ago I changed to a Windows Vista laptop that my family was not using so they updated it to Windows 10 (without upgrading any other thing, just the OS) for me. Then I started using SMBX 2.0 there, but lately I have been experiencing some issues:

- I get lag going through sizables.
- I found some issues on the Megaman's powerups (Idk if this is this error comes from the game or from my computer, anyway this is not very important).
- I get an error while executing LunaTester.
- SMBX uses a considerable part of the RAM, then both the game and my computer get slow.
- Some LunaLua effects don't work.
- I want to make SMBX videos, but I can't because when I start recording the game, the graph gets frozen but the sound not.

I'm not asking help for these issues, because I know that they happen because my computer is old and it doesn't have enough ressources, but I tried SMBX 1.3.0.2 in this computer and for some reason, most of these issues don't happen, it uses less RAM, and I get less lag in the sizables or in any other situation (maybe because 1.3.0.2 is more lightweight than 2.0).

So I want to ask, SMBX 1.3.0.2 is worth to use? Is there any support? How many people use it? They like or dislike this version? Tell me your thoughts.

Maybe I will get a newer computer soon (I know I have said this some times about my current laptop but it was not good as I thought), or if not, upgrade some things like the RAM to this one so I could return to SMBX 2.0, but for now I think I will focus on 1.3.0.2.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby ThePieSkyHigh » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:46 pm

So your saying 1.3.2 is the same as 1.3.1 but with added luna? Pretty cool. (as if I can code lol)

Yea, if it's the same, I'd recommend 1.3.0.2 if you want luna with it, and it's familiar with 1.3 right?

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby TheNightingale » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:48 pm

ThePieSkyHigh wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:46 pm
So your saying 1.3.2 is the same as 1.3.1 but with added luna? Pretty cool. (as if I can code lol)

Yea, if it's the same, I'd recommend 1.3.0.2 if you want luna with it, and it's familiar with 1.3 right?
It's familiar. But I see that most of the people don't use it, so I will wait for some other replies to see what others think

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby ThePieSkyHigh » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:49 pm

Maybe since most don't see much use for Luna or it's new?

(Imo, you don't have to discuss that)

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby TheNightingale » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:52 pm

ThePieSkyHigh wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:49 pm
Maybe since most don't see much use for Luna or it's new?

(Imo, you don't have to discuss that)
LunaLua is very used, just 1.3.0.2 not.

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby ElectriKong » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:20 am

It's not used because it is out of date.

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby Cedur » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:51 am

Even if you can't run SMBX2, you don't really get any gain from 1.3.0.2. Since it most likely won't let you play any episodes that are labelled "SMBX2 only".

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby TheNightingale » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:33 am

Cedur wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:51 am
Even if you can't run SMBX2, you don't really get any gain from 1.3.0.2.
I think yes, because with 1.3.0.1 I get lag while playing as well (because of the trash ressources of this computer of course...). 1.3.0.2 is the same version but with LunaLua included, and since it improves the game performance, I don't get lag there. Maybe in SMBX2 yes because 1.3.0.2 is more lightweight. Also there are some episodes that use the LunaLua features but not SMBX 2.0-specific features, like SMBX Contest Greatest Hits, and that's one of my favorites. In my project I'm also using some non-MP3 music files and they don't work without LunaLua. And 1.3.0.2 is literally the only version where I don't have problems using LunaLua.

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby Hoeloe » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:37 am

1.3.0.2 isn't really more light-weight. And no, you WON'T really be able to play SMBX2 episodes with 1.3.0.2, even if they don't use new blocks or characters, because there are some incompatibilities.

If some effects don't work, that also suggests your PC is very old and does not support OpenGL 2.0, which will have similar issues with 1.3.0.2.

1.3.0.2 isn't REALLY a version, it's basically a zombified hybrid, cutting out a part of SMBX2 and taping it onto 1.3. Many episodes will not work properly, and episodes that you make with it will not be playable with SMBX2. It's highly recommended you not use it.

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby TheNightingale » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:47 am

Hoeloe wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:37 am
And no, you WON'T really be able to play SMBX2 episodes with 1.3.0.2, even if they don't use new blocks or characters
That was what I meant.
Hoeloe wrote:If some effects don't work, that also suggests your PC is very old and does not support OpenGL 2.0, which will have similar issues with 1.3.0.2.
But at least not all of the 2.0 issues happen on it. At least I can record. At least I can get working the LunaLua features that I'm using in my project.
Hoeloe wrote:Many episodes will not work properly, and episodes that you make with it will not be playable with SMBX2.
I have tried this version in my old computer which is even worse than this one, and I haven't experienced issues. And I don't think that 1.3.0.2 episodes won't be able to play in 2.0 because I use PGE to edit.

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby ElectriKong » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:21 am

VanillaDude wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:47 am
I have tried this version in my old computer which is even worse than this one, and I haven't experienced issues. And I don't think that 1.3.0.2 episodes won't be able to play in 2.0 because I use PGE to edit.
FYI, the LunaLua used with 1.3.0.2 is out of date and I don't know if it is backwards compatible with the version used in SMBX2. Use of dummy NPCs will definitely break compatibility with SMBX2 without additional legwork to make the episode ignore the beta 3 NPCs.

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby Hoeloe » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:37 am

VanillaDude wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:47 am
And I don't think that 1.3.0.2 episodes won't be able to play in 2.0 because I use PGE to edit.
You are aware I'm a SMBX2 developer right? I have a pretty good understanding of how stuff works, and I'm telling you that if you use LunaLua features in a 1.3.0.2 episode, chances are it will NOT be compatible with SMBX2.

Fundamentally, it surprises me that both 1.3.0.1 and SMBX2 are causing problems, and 1.3.0.2 apparently isn't. It surprises me enough that I'm inclined to disbelieve it, actually. The major change there for SMBX2 is replacing the game's rendering engine with a new, OpenGL based one, but that ALSO occurs in any build of LunaLua.

Perhaps you should consider trying to debug SMBX2 (using F3 is a good start), rather than just calling it quits and using a semi-broken, unsupported version.

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby Eri7 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:46 am

I say no but thats because I can use 38A and 2.0 instead.

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby TheNightingale » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:18 am

Hoeloe wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:37 am
VanillaDude wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:47 am
And I don't think that 1.3.0.2 episodes won't be able to play in 2.0 because I use PGE to edit.
You are aware I'm a SMBX2 developer right? I have a pretty good understanding of how stuff works, and I'm telling you that if you use LunaLua features in a 1.3.0.2 episode, chances are it will NOT be compatible with SMBX2.

Fundamentally, it surprises me that both 1.3.0.1 and SMBX2 are causing problems, and 1.3.0.2 apparently isn't. It surprises me enough that I'm inclined to disbelieve it, actually. The major change there for SMBX2 is replacing the game's rendering engine with a new, OpenGL based one, but that ALSO occurs in any build of LunaLua.

Perhaps you should consider trying to debug SMBX2 (using F3 is a good start), rather than just calling it quits and using a semi-broken, unsupported version.
Well, I guess using 1.3.0.2 is not recommended. I will have to use SMBX2 for now as I can until I get a better computer.

And a final question: There's no problem with using 1.3.0.2 as the PGE tester engine with SMBXInt? Because I get an error with the SMBX2 config pack but for some reason I'm able to test with 1.3.0.2 being the configured folder.

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby Hoeloe » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:48 am

That definitely sounds like something is up with your install, rather than SMBX2 itself.

I would suggest you reinstall SMBX2 from scratch.

And yes, there is a problem with that, because it just means you're testing in 1.3.0.2, which has all the same problems as making your game with it.

Also if you get an error, it's helpful to provide the error message. "An error" is a useless descriptor, and error messages may not mean much to you, but they provide helpful information to those who do understand them.

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby TheNightingale » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:55 am

Hoeloe wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:48 am
That definitely sounds like something is up with your install, rather than SMBX2 itself.

I would suggest you reinstall SMBX2 from scratch.

And yes, there is a problem with that, because it just means you're testing in 1.3.0.2, which has all the same problems as making your game with it.

Also if you get an error, it's helpful to provide the error message. "An error" is a useless descriptor, and error messages may not mean much to you, but they provide helpful information to those who do understand them.
The message error says this:

SuperMarioBrosX.org stopped working

Also it's not a problem of my installation, that also happened in my old computer.

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby Hoeloe » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:59 am

Have you tried letting it continue? That can sometimes happen if your computer is slow and it takes a long time to load, but if you give it a bit of extra time it'll finish okay.

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby TheNightingale » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:02 am

Hoeloe wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:59 am
Have you tried letting it continue? That can sometimes happen if your computer is slow and it takes a long time to load, but if you give it a bit of extra time it'll finish okay.
Well, I never have tried that. I'm pathetic...

I guess I will try and later I will tell you what happened.

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby ThePieSkyHigh » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:46 pm

You DO use disk clean up right? If left unused extra cache and temp files use up gigabytes worth of space. (1,000 MB = 1 GB)

Consider cleaning the fan if it's dirty... XD This prevents air coming in to cool it + the fan not working how it should + more heat due to bad removal of it = Lag. PCs and laptops can shut down without warning because they get too hot.

or you can add more RAM to it, helping the computer multitask more? Usually the ram slots have, maybe, 2 more slots?

Also, CPU (or Processor) upgrade. This helps A LOT. It helped me, should work for you.

Just some upgrades or fixes?

(sorry if I went off topic.)

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Re: It's worth to use SMBX 1.3.0.2?

Postby TheNightingale » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:51 pm

ThePieSkyHigh wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:46 pm
You DO use disk clean up right? If left unused extra cache and temp files use up gigabytes worth of space. (1,000 MB = 1 GB)

Consider cleaning the fan if it's dirty... XD This prevents air coming in to cool it + the fan not working how it should + more heat due to bad removal of it = Lag. PCs and laptops can shut down without warning because they get too hot.

or you can add more RAM to it, helping the computer multitask more? Usually the ram slots have, maybe, 2 more slots?

Also, CPU (or Processor) upgrade. This helps A LOT. It helped me, should work for you.

Just some upgrades or fixes?

(sorry if I went off topic.)
I'm willing to upgrade those specs soon, if not get a newer laptop


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