[THEORY] Is Mario the bad guy?

[underFlo]

did you just write multiple paragraphs arguing that mario might be the bad guy.

My goodness. Now I know for sure. It was all Mario's ploy just to spread a stereotype against reading!

The problem's not that it might take some time to read it, the point is that he wrote multiple paragraphs arguing that Mario might be the bad guy.

[Hyperme]

In Paper Mario 2, the ultimate final bad gal is all 'join me and stuff'. Since Mario doesn't join them, he's probably okay.

In Super Mario Galaxy, Bowser tries to destroy the universe or something. It's not very clear. He's probably a jerk. Also there's the whole Mario Sunshine thing.

[Black Mamba]

In Paper Mario 2, the ultimate final bad gal is all 'join me and stuff'. Since Mario doesn't join them, he's probably okay.

In Super Mario Galaxy, Bowser tries to destroy the universe or something. It's not very clear. He's probably a jerk. Also there's the whole Mario Sunshine thing.

If Mario is the bad guy, why is there mystery goop jizz everywhere? Also about the lava traps, why the hell would The mushroom kingdom use it for? They proved that they are not the aggressors as the Koopa kingdom quite literally stole and bombed Peach's castle in Galaxy

[Magician]

This community, at its core, has been for people with a willingness to spend hours upon hours of time clicking and moving objects in an engine that's vastly considered obsolete to the gaming industry as a whole, and the majority of the skills and design intuitions they will develop within using this engine are theoretical and/or specific to a franchise that most (if not all) of them will never have the license to develop for. On the other hand, a passionate Mario fan wrote a few paragraphs about a game theory.
I don't think anyone has much business mocking him for how he spends his own time regardless, but even if I did, I'd think it was relatively strange when weighed against something like SMBX design, which we're all otherwise okay with.

My thoughts on the chronology of the Mario games: despite not having thought much about it, I'd expect to have a lot of difficulty connecting them. Here's an example of why. NSMB, on its own, completely destroys basic linear causal logic. You spend the entire game chasing Peach, and when you take a warp cannon, Peach is still ahead of you. (Before anyone misinterprets me I'm not saying this makes it a bad game or something. I'm just pointing out that this kind of thing alone doesn't lend itself to chronology of any kind, not to even mention any other contradictions you'd find in other Mario games.)

Bowser's fallen for the bridge strategy so many times that it can only suggest to me that he's just that adorably stupid. At any point is it said that he wasn't responsible for castle design and placement himself?

That being said here's a picture of Mario being an asshole for no reason

[Black Mamba]

This community, at its core, has been for people with a willingness to spend hours upon hours of time clicking and moving objects in an engine that's vastly considered obsolete to the gaming industry as a whole, and the majority of the skills and design intuitions they will develop within using this engine are theoretical and/or specific to a franchise that most (if not all) of them will never have the license to develop for. On the other hand, a passionate Mario fan wrote a few paragraphs about a game theory.
I don't think anyone has much business mocking him for how he spends his own time regardless, but even if I did, I'd think it was relatively strange when weighed against something like SMBX design, which we're all otherwise okay with.

My thoughts on the chronology of the Mario games: despite not having thought much about it, I'd expect to have a lot of difficulty connecting them. Here's an example of why. NSMB, on its own, completely destroys basic linear causal logic. You spend the entire game chasing Peach, and when you take a warp cannon, Peach is still ahead of you. (Before anyone misinterprets me I'm not saying this makes it a bad game or something. I'm just pointing out that this kind of thing alone doesn't lend itself to chronology of any kind, not to even mention any other contradictions you'd find in other Mario games.)

Bowser's fallen for the bridge strategy so many times that it can only suggest to me that he's just that adorably stupid. At any point is it said that he wasn't responsible for castle design and placement himself?

That being said here's a picture of Mario being an asshole for no reason

Fuck Mario, he's an ass. Also, Emral, I'm sorry for what I said before about the MatPat and stuff. At least your theories don't invovlve convoluted gorilla sex (Mario timeline). That being said, it is still a theory, which means we can still debate about it, as long as we don't say anything nonsensical.

[HeroLinik]

Here's another thing to consider as well (which I forgot to put down):

In the original Super Mario Bros. the Toads and all the other inhabitants were turned into blocks, grasses and other inanimate objects...which MARIO SMASHES. Does this mean he's killing those same inhabitants without realising it?

[Thundaga_T2]

Here's another thing to consider as well (which I forgot to put down):

In the original Super Mario Bros. the Toads and all the other inhabitants were turned into blocks, grasses and other inanimate objects...which MARIO SMASHES. Does this mean he's killing those same inhabitants without realising it?

If Mario is doing it unintentionally then that doesnt make him a bad guy. Now if he knew the circumstances, and was purposely doing it, then yes.

[Enjl]

Fuck Mario, he's an ass. Also, Emral, I'm sorry for what I said before about the MatPat and stuff. At least your theories don't invovlve convoluted gorilla sex (Mario timeline). That being said, it is still a theory, which means we can still debate about it, as long as we don't say anything nonsensical.

Last time I checked the only post I made in this topic got completely ignored.

[mechamind]

If Mario is doing it unintentionally then that doesnt make him a bad guy.

Maybe, but the constant rise in Goomba pancakes thanks to all the jumping doesn't help his cause. Also...

The lava traps in all the castles around the Mushroom Kingdom were already installed before Bowser took over. Think about it.

Last time I checked the only post I made in this topic got completely ignored.

Also about the lava traps, why the hell would The mushroom kingdom use it for?

[Enjl]

Oh whoops! Totally missed that. Epoch's post I quoted still makes zero sense even after reading the post I missed though. Ah well.

Why would they need lava traps? Well.. have you ever seen a garbage bin in the mushroom kingdom? They're so advanced they have them everywhere in their castles, in form of a lava pit.

[Chip Potato]

This is why i just don't like Game Theory. It spreads bad ''theories'' so everyone believes them. Also Mario & Nintendo do what they want.

the problem isn't Game Theory/Mattpat making theories

people are just stupid and somehow keep forgetting that the show is game theory, and that everything the guy says, no matter how plausible it is, is not canon to the actual game(s) the theory focuses on.

blame the obnoxious fans in the stands, not the ball game.

[Thundaga_T2]

This is why i just don't like Game Theory. It spreads bad ''theories'' so everyone believes them. Also Mario & Nintendo do what they want.

the problem isn't Game Theory/Mattpat making theories

people are just stupid and somehow keep forgetting that the show is game theory, and that everything the guy says, no matter how plausible it is, is not canon to the actual game(s) the theory focuses on.

blame the obnoxious fans in the stands, not the ball game.

Well the way they put forth their information, using logical, mathematical, and scientific evidence, makes it sound believable in some instances. So fault could lie with GT at least in part.

[Chip Potato]

Well the way they put forth their information, using logical, mathematical, and scientific evidence, makes it sound believable in some instances. So fault could lie with GT at least in part.

yeah, i can kind of see where someone impressionable enough could be fooled by that

then again, who the hell is that dumb

[Thundaga_T2]

Well the way they put forth their information, using logical, mathematical, and scientific evidence, makes it sound believable in some instances. So fault could lie with GT at least in part.

yeah, i can kind of see where someone impressionable enough could be fooled by that

then again, who the hell is that dumb

You'd be surprised.

[Tango]

Let's put our Mushroom Brains to work.

First, let's interpret the word "Bad". Some people thinks Mario is Good, and Bowser is Evil. Instead, his Koopa Troop thinks Bowser is good and Mario is Evil. Everything is a perspective question. Actually, you can choose make part of SMBX Community to be a good member, or only troll and spam. It's all about choices.

As i know, some people have to do sad things to survive. Actually, if we are mixing all Mario games in it, let me try too. How so much jobs Mario did since 1980? So much, heh? Inclusive, doctor. Doctor is a guy that save life. How can a greedy plumber study medicine and be one of the more important people of the Mushroom Kingdom's Health? Explain this.

Well, about Donkey Kong, Mario had various jobs, but never got some that fits him until he meets the Plumbing. Well, the life is hard for everyone. Yeah, you are right. Donkey Kong Circus happened first, then DK Jr., then Donkey Kong. But let take a example: Cat and Dog. Someone of these are evil? No. Someone of these are good? No too. Both are only animals, that because a natural rule, they hate themselves. Donkey Kong and Mario is like Cat and Dog. Since Donkey Kong Circus until Mario Sports and Mario VS Donkey Kong series. I think i finished here.

So, tell me. Greedy Mario that steal coins, huh? First of all, who in the world you let the economy of the kingdom near pits, traps, inside castles, caves and until Volcanoes?!? This is ridiculously insane! And, if Mario is guilty for steal coins, why Peach does nothing? Why nobody does nothing? Why nobody tells Mario something? Because this is bullshit. Now, tell me that Sonic are robbing ladies rings and that are destroying computers to have programs because he's robot and then have super powers like Shield and Temporary Invincibility. Talking about it, Sonic is catching that Chaos Emeralds, or 100 rings so he can have a extra life. Coins are magic objects. Isn't like normal money. When you want, you can unite 100 coins, so he transform in a green mushroom that grants you one life. It's ask so much for lives to save the Kingdom from Bowser so he can transform all people in blocks again? (Super Mario Bros. Manual). I dare you, pass New Super Mario Bros U, for example, without lose a single life. It's like the real world, one death, died forever. It's super hard! So he doing this for a good cause. Various heroes made craziness for save the world.

Mario's in Bowser's Side? So why Mario destroyed Bowser's two chances of takeover the entire galaxy, if this "theater" wasn't necessary, since Mario could be the only to save the galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2)

In the Super Mario 64 story, Bowser caught the power stars and threw in the paintings. He keep some stars with some of his guards, like King Bob-Omb. Mario could take the star from his hand anytime, but was King's choice begin a duel. Same to the Wiggler, he wanted begin the fight, not Mario. And that's wrong? So ask if you think correct threw you pets in a battle they never wanted to be, since you could solve anything with words, their prefer do useless and timing waste battles (Pokémon). And moreover, as i said, people do some craziness to save the world. As long, Koopa Troopas makes part of the Koopa Troop, but their nature are shy. This don't change the fact that they are part of Koopa Troop, as long that Koopa the Quick isn't part of Koopa Troop, like Kooper, Koops, Kolorado, Koopie Koo, and so much others.

About the Luigi. Do you know, Luigi are with Daisy. Luigi even don't want knows about Peach anymore, he is only with Mario because they are brothers and brothers do this things. Peach is Mario's Girl and Luigi knows it, so that Mario knows that Daisy is Luigi's Girl. So Luigi don't want a kiss from the Princess, because in the end, they will happy celebrate a victory with their friends with a party with a Cake, and Mario's need a rest with their favorite girl, as long Luigi too, with Daisy. And about Mario Tennis, you probably never had a brother. Some brothers like to annoy a bit, not a point of kill the guy, is a brother thing. Since Mario Bros, the original, Mario, and Luigi, can push themselves to death. This is still funny do with your friends. Because, why we need be serious on our work? We can bash ourselves, only kidding, and make it latter!

So, Mario isn't a bad guy. The question is, a bunch of game information copied from sites and mixed with some revisions to make sense, doesn't matter. Yeah, you need do this, but don't only this. You need enter in the Mario's Head:

"Who i am? I'm Mario. What i am? A Plumber, a Hero from a kingdom, and a Life Saver Doctor. My mission: Protect my family (Luigi), Protect my girl (Peach)< Protect my friends (Yoshi, Toad, Daisy) and until my rivals (Wario, Waluigi, Donkey Kong, and until Bowser sometimes). I can't disapoint everyone, me and my bro are the only hope of this other world. I need ever help possible, taking coins to grant another chances, and power-ups. Sometimes is hard save who i live, so i need make the things that i'm not want to do, but i'm making for the people from the kingdom, all counting with me and Luigi. Luigi, my brother, helps me. I don't have so time to say to him he's the better brother of all."

[Julia Pseudo]

Here's another thing to consider as well (which I forgot to put down):

In the original Super Mario Bros. the Toads and all the other inhabitants were turned into blocks, grasses and other inanimate objects...which MARIO SMASHES. Does this mean he's killing those same inhabitants without realising it?

People always say this but I'm pretty sure that the manual that mentioned that also mentioned that the ? block folks were supposed to be rewarding Mario for saving them or something.

On the whole, even if Mario can be interpreted to be doing some evil stuff or whatever, it's clearly unintentional on Nintendo's part. Video game protagonists almost always kill random unaffiliated enemies at some point, it's just in the nature of video games. He's supposed to be depicted as a heroic character, I have very little doubt about that.

Also, everything about your post is amazing, Magician.

[HeroLinik]

Peach is Mario's Girl and Luigi knows it

That doesn't make sense. Peach isn't Mario's girlfriend, Pauline is. Does this mean that when Mario and Peach kiss like they've been doing countless times Mario's cheating on his girlfriend? That could be more evidence that Mario's the bad guy.

[XerX]

Peach is Mario's Girl and Luigi knows it

That doesn't make sense. Peach isn't Mario's girlfriend, Pauline is. Does this mean that when Mario and Peach kiss like they've been doing countless times Mario's cheating on his girlfriend? That could be more evidence that Mario's the bad guy.

When was the last time you saw Pauline in a main game. (M vs DK doesn't count. That's technically a spinoff.)

[HeroLinik]

Peach is Mario's Girl and Luigi knows it

That doesn't make sense. Peach isn't Mario's girlfriend, Pauline is. Does this mean that when Mario and Peach kiss like they've been doing countless times Mario's cheating on his girlfriend? That could be more evidence that Mario's the bad guy.

When was the last time you saw Pauline in a main game. (M vs DK doesn't count. That's technically a spinoff.)

The original DK was the only main series appearance of her. However, she's mentioned in SSB4 with the message "Mario's Ex-Girlfriend(?)" suggesting that Mario dumped her for Peach. Does this mean Mario's bad because he dumped his original girlfriend for Peach? Could that explain why Mario and Peach kiss like they've been doing countless times? Is Mario only killing Bowser just to satisfy his "girlfriend"?

[XerX]

The original DK was the only main series appearance of her. However, she's mentioned in SSB4 with the message "Mario's Ex-Girlfriend(?)" suggesting that Mario dumped her for Peach. Does this mean Mario's bad because he dumped his original girlfriend for Peach? Could that explain why Mario and Peach kiss like they've been doing countless times? Is Mario only killing Bowser just to satisfy his "girlfriend"?

Why would he be bad for dumping his ex-girlfriend. Things happen. Maybe they didn't click. Also if some giant turtle-dragon kidnapped your girl, wouldn't you be upset too and want to kill it?