We need change.

[Zeldamaster12]

I don't see why my shortcomings gives you the perfect excuse to treat us like garbage. You're asking for people to be ideal by your definition, instead of asking for improvement and working towards consolation. For toting around the phrase "respect is a two-way street", you sure are demanding things out of me I will not comply with. Your funeral.

Elaborate on how we're treating the staff like garbage.

And you're basically saying that you won't comply with respecting us? oh and you used the phrase "your funeral", so scary. Drop the ego.

And this isn't even about me, at that.

You're staff, I'm pretty sure this involves you. (didn't reply to the banning part because that doesn't involve me, and it's irrelevant)

Quit thinking the way we treat you = the way we treat the community, because I only treat the weeds like this.

You're calling us weeds? You should be treating the entire community with respect (with the exception of the people who actually do treat you like garbage, but we're not those people), including the people who have complaints to make.

Or don't. I have something you don't: patience. I might not ban you for trying to prove me wrong after everything that has happened, but I can wait until you kick enough chairs over.

I have plenty of patience. All these things that we've been addressing for months now gets old after a while, so I think I've been plenty patient.

And are you basically implying that you'll ban me if I continue?

I do not care about any point that is delivered in such a violent or malicious way. The ends do not justify the means, and my conduct does not excuse yours.

We haven't been addressing our points in a violent and malicious way. And I don't see how I've had bad conduct either.

[DarkMatt]

Respect IS a two way street Especially on a FORUM...
I wouldn't want to be on a forum where the staff talk down to me and accuse me of being somebody else/ignore everything I say.

As I said in my introduction topic I have not been here since 2009 or 2010 but I don't remember the staff crew being so...bad. You (staff) keep fighting fire with fire and making things worse. Just drop the ego already . it seems that a lot of people are not happy with the way things are

Well, when the forum's burning, I have to deprive it of its fuel sources in some way. Best way to do that is, well, fight the fire with a greater fire. There's definitely nicer ways to go about this, but none of them are faster at stopping a blaze than a giant conflagration.

You'll have to pardon the heavy-handed approach, but I am the sort of person who makes fears come true instead of downplay superstition, and unlike most mods, I will take an eye when someone tries taking an eye. Call me immature, but I don't see the point in fighting mud wrestling with soap.

Once a couple days go by after this is all done, I'll come back and take the gentle approach. 'til then, imma let the ash sit.

I acted with the intention to bring this to a halt, as previously mentioned. If that means I have to be the bad guy, then, you know, any single person either believes in me or not. It's not like being a well-meaning mod is going to change that.

(Also you don't remember kathy at all?)

words

Drop it for now. How's that?

The way this has played out has left a ridiculously sour taste. I do not want to even begin fathoming about what to do for this community after what has happened, and my opinion on the other staff is that they are also going on full damage control. I want tensions to break and then ease before I start discussing how to start about solving this. Right now, I do not need the grievances the staff has had to deal with being a part of the liner notes.

As for me making this a "community vs. staff" matter as some people might think, again, I do not have a problem with taking what people think about us and making it come true. When that's the undertone for this whole thing, I'm going to bring it out and show it, to hell with manners. I can believe that's not what people want, but I have to wait until they show that to me. You can say that's not what you mean, but I'm gonna have to see you go through with that. That's what happens when trust is kicked aside to attack people.

[JupiHornet]

Looks like m4sterbr0s has been demoted as well.

Not to offend him, but I'm glad that the staff are actually listening to us about this. Even if the staff isn't getting a huge makeover, at least SOMETHING is being done.

[Zeldamaster12]

m4sterbr0s didn't get demoted, he resigned.

[JupiHornet]

m4sterbr0s didn't get demoted, he resigned.

Oh
Well he's in the moderators group now

[aero]

m4sterbr0s didn't get demoted, he resigned.

Oh
Well he's in the moderators group now

That's intentional. m3m3br0s still wants to help out from what I've read in his posts recently, so he still has permissions whenever he does drop by. He's not a full duty mod, otherwise his name would be green.

[Palisade]

Can I have an apology for the ridiculous accusation made earlier that I am (apparently) this Knux dude?

[DarkMatt]

Granted.

[DarkMatt]

Have a good day, people :p

What I've gotten from this so far is that memory is a fickle bitch that dictates where and when to work.

....We had something like this? 190-odd posts and no one forwarded to this. Well, I'm gonna assume it's either because everyone hopped on the bandwagon or no one remembered. Collective fault on all of us.

[Shadow Yoshi]

The Site Discussion Thread is more for discussion of the actual site, not the community.

[Danny]

While it concerns me very little, I just want to say thanks for the sudden upping of rules strictness, I wasn't aware that a post like this ( http://www.smbxgame.com/forums/v ... 89#p126389 ) would give me a warning, I didn't actually know anything like that was actually liable enough for a warning. Oh well.

Also somewhat off-topic here but I'm getting really tired of DarkMatt telling me that I "don't care for others' feelings" or that if I "don't care about the community at all then you should leave". I've said in the past that the community is quite shit and it honestly is because nobody, staff and users, haven't done anything to make it not shit. Saying the community is shit doesn't mean I don't care about it, I actually do care about it. If I really didn't care about this community or the other people here, why have I done so much stuff for it? I have given help and advice pertaining to SMBX, I have been working on for the past 5 months something for the forum Roleplaying area, I have paid for and am going to continue paying for a Minecraft server that a lot of people really enjoy, and I visit every day to provide input and throw in my two cents into whatever topics I find interesting. You'd think if I didn't care about the community I wouldn't have done all of that. I'd really appreciate it if the staff could stop telling me and other users to leave if we think the community is shit, it's actually that which makes it worse, because the staff and the users need to be working together in this and from what I've witnessed so far, a lot of the staff members have a lot of distrust and distaste for a large amount of people here, and the same can be said vice versa.

While I would fully respect the staff members, and I do respect most of them, it is quite honestly, and I will name names here, hard to respect DarkMatt when he constantly threatens and talks down to me all the time, and it's hard to respect Joey when he has a constant distaste and distrust towards me to hand me out a warning at the slightest provocation. I pointed this out to Ignoritus that I got a warning for simply calling Joey "lazy", and while that wasn't too good, it wasn't really harsh, unlike PaperPlayerX, who called a larger group of people "ass-kissers", didn't receive a warning as soon as I did when I called Joey lazy even after I reported the post. That gives me the belief that certain staff members are specifically out to get me and will find any reason, no matter how hard they have to scrounge at it, to hand me a warning or even ban me. Joey gave me one warning and then banned me, claiming I had two warnings in my record, which even GhostHawk said I didn't.

So, with that said, while the staff expect us to respect them, it's kind of hard to want to do that when they don't equally respect us, and I'm not going to listen to any excuses they have to say on that. Naming names again, DarkMatt is pushing us to respect the staff, but he created TWO threads where he played through the community contest levels and then disrespected and insulted people through them. People brushed that off as comedic or funny, but if you pay close attention, he actually does that anyway. It's honestly hard to show respect for someone that doesn't show any respect for you, I'm honestly not going to attempt to be nice to someone if they, in return, can't be nice to me either.

Another thing I want to bring up is that, while it's of no concern like the first warning, I received a warning from Joey that was subsequently removed after I discussed it with him. One of the reasonings for the warning was because I was apparently being "very defensive with your latest posts". I honestly don't see the problem with being defensive, because the staff have actually done exactly that in this thread. It doesn't make any sense why I would receive a warning for being defensive of myself and others but the staff can be defensive of themselves and get away with it, it gives me the belief that the rules pass by the higher-ups a lot more than they do with the normal users, and this also brings me back to the belief that the staff are out to get certain people based on the fact that some of my warnings seemed to be scrounged up from nothing.

And one final thing I just want to throw out there, DarkMatt was threatening to punish me if I don't apologize to Kley, so I did apologize to Kley and Kley didn't accept the apology, telling me it "wasn't really needed". DarkMatt then, the next day on IRC, hounded me to apologize to Kley, and when I told him I already did, he said I didn't have to because somebody else already apologized. So I'm threatened to be punished if I don't apologize to somebody, which lowers my respect for DarkMatt because of the threats of punishment if I don't apologize and also is also somewhat detrimental to me in the aspect of "oh I didn't mean to make somebody feel like shit and now I'm being pressured into apologizing", but somebody else apologizes and I'm off the hook. Is this some sort of game? Or was it a trap of some sort or is it testing me? I'm not entirely sure what the hell that was about and I even tried to explain to DarkMatt that what I said wasn't meant to make anybody feel like shit, it was really pent up frustration being let out because of that post Kley made, and I don't know if Kley really felt like shit after that or if it was just DarkMatt putting a curtain up to make me feel like shit, nothing was really explained, it was sort of just pushed towards me as "apologize or you will be punished severely".

[MistakesWereMade]

The threats from darkmatt aren't exclusive to danny, this was sent to qig the other day:

I'm a good explanation for half your posts in that thread, and I could give less of a damn what you think about me right now.

However, as part of my job, I have to wonder why you refuse to respect the rest of the people you slandered. I can't just let you off free because I became your focus. "Respect is a two way street. People like you, Darkmatt and Ghosthawk don't show respect to the various users of this forum, why should I show respect back?" Making a comment like this is antagonistic no matter how you look at it. I don't care if you think we're worse, you don't get to act like this.

If you want to keep posting here, qig, I need you to not do this. If you're so bitter about this community and you don't want to take the effort to care, by all means, leave. However, if you want to start working towards getting this community back on track, I'm willing to forgive and value your opinion again.

Other mods would've just banned out outright and not give you a chance to defend yourself, qig. I'm giving you a chance.

This is getting out of hand.

[reghrhre]

Lemme also contribute to this 'out-of-handness'

I could go on about plenty of things about your behavior here and your recent posts, but I'll make it quick, for you.

If this is the sort of attitude you're going to have about this community, the absolute least you can do to help this community in your own way is stay out of forum affairs. If this is the sort of attitude you are going to cop, then we can make do without your two cents, reghrhre. Being a complainer isn't gonna solve anything.

If you don't want me to treat you like a child and actually hear you out, then the next time you give a damn about this community I suggest you do it without being overly condescending. Thank you.

I mean, I've only tried helping many times in the past, even in this thread. It's almost hard to NOT insulting most of the staff and their shitty ways of running the forum especially considering they barely listen to the users. Shame they still don't realize that even though it's been mentioned a few times already.

[Danny]

The threats from darkmatt aren't exclusive to danny, this was sent to qig the other day:

Other mods would've just banned out outright and not give you a chance to defend yourself, qig. I'm giving you a chance.

Why did he say "other mods"? Because I think him and I and everyone else are aware that none of the moderators would have banned qig on the spot for something as harmless and truthful as what he said. DarkMatt's being provocative as far as I can tell. This honestly really needs to stop as it seems to be the main issue currently, and I really think he's just doing this so he can find excuses to kick people out of the community or start fights, it has happened before.

Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.

[aero]

People like you, Darkmatt and Ghosthawk don't show respect to the various users of this forum, why should I show respect back?"

I'm the most disrespectful to users on this forum, actually. I called Palisade Knux, and asked why qig was posting here so that is now "various users" and I'm practically Stalin at this point.

It's almost hard to NOT insulting most of the staff and their shitty ways of running the forum especially considering they barely listen to the users. Shame they still don't realize that even though it's been mentioned a few times already.

There's a lot wrong with this statement, but I'll leave it at the point that we're not deaf/blind. We get the criticisms, and you should know we discuss it in the staff forums and eventually reach a decision. No level of complaining will get you anywhere, since it isn't put up to the users to control the forums. When you say the staff aren't listening and running the forum in a shitty way/not the way you like it then I can't help but ignore you until you throw something on the table you want done and how it gets done from point A to point B. So far, there's been changes to the staff team which is what this joke thread was originally about. Not good enough, and since it's so broad of a scope it can be said enough wasn't done. There needs to be an "overhaul" now. Can you see the problem with this? I can bet you do, which is why I'm asking out of you more than a "lol not listening to us" complaint. I've been talking about a group of users now that are in the staff team whose positions I've wanted to discuss, but with the reaction so far vested in this topic just makes it look like the concerns themselves are just the rambling opinions of a rowdy community which may be why Joey isn't putting the team's positions up for discussion and other staffers have described general users as "bullheaded," "perpetuating crap," "need to grow up," etc. I mean hell, it was through a fluke that Kley was demoted, and it was m4sterbr0s' choice to temporarily design. Not the complaining. And like I said before it's not going to be enough until Quill and Valtteri are no longer admins, until we move on to the next issue of whatever we're ignoring everyone on.

There's a complete disconnect between staff members and the rest of the community. As I've said, positions aren't up for discussion but rather the relationship between the community and staff. Taking that into account, this thread has been harmful to its own cause because of the complaints held within it since it led to a completely different discussion. There's been talk about the way DM handled this thread, posting his other announcement, his PMs (it's actually pretty much settled far before the previous responses have been posted), and how we should communicate. I've tried to at the very least mention it from time to time, and at most share my convictions about the staff team publicly and I'd appreciate it if everyone stopped treating it like it's some sort of hive-mind working around the clock to ignore people and be bad at our jobs.

[qig]

I'm the most disrespectful to users on this forum, actually. I called Palisade Knux, and asked why qig was posting here so that is now "various users" and I'm practically Stalin at this point.

you've suggested on this very forum that the world should be purged of autistic people and that adhd doesn't exist.

[DarkMatt]

Did you guys think now that a couple days have passed I'd lay off the banhammer? No, if anything, I'm starting to get a better idea of who I should use it on. THAT'S a threat. THIS isn't, "You could've held your peace or level with me. This is not going to end well for you, and I'm just going to take the second chance you threw back at me and throw out warnings instead."

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I mean, I've only tried helping many times in the past, even in this thread. It's almost hard to NOT insulting most of the staff and their shitty ways of running the forum especially considering they barely listen to the users. Shame they still don't realize that even though it's been mentioned a few times already.

The difference between this post and the 10 others you did in this thread is that it's not being sarcastic in the slightest, so I am actually giving it due respect. The SMBX staff doesn't mind if you phrase it like this, but considering how far you went with the way you said it in this thread, you convinced me you just did not give a fuck. Go back and look at your posts before and look at this one, and tell me if you can spot the same difference. That difference is what the staff needs from the community, otherwise they're just not gonna take the time to mud wrestle. If this is the way everybody treats us, then we're just gonna purposefully upkeep the community without the users. We can do that.

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Also, do you really want me to not hold private conversations? Because I can make the one-on-one serious talks public executions instead. If this is what happens to my attempts to handle users without getting anyone else involved, then fuck it, if that's what you people want me to do, that's how I'm gonna do it. (But in seriousness, I will never do public discipline. I'm just putting my hand to my face that people are trying to make this public. It was private for a reason.)

(Hey 8bit, you're going down the same slope again. Stop.)

[Palisade]

I'm the most disrespectful to users on this forum, actually. I called Palisade Knux, and asked why qig was posting here so that is now "various users" and I'm practically Stalin at this point.

you've suggested on this very forum that the world should be purged of autistic people and that adhd doesn't exist.

He reminds me of when I was an edgy teenager..

[DarkMatt]

Don't bring up the word "teenager" because I don't need those rose-tinted glasses on.

[Zeldamaster12]

Exiled has been around off and on (mostly off) for a little over four years now, actually.

I'll make a bigger response to you later, ZM.

What happened to this.